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[chirp_users] OT, BTECH UV-50X3
by Glenn At Home 10 Mar '18

10 Mar '18

Hi All, Does anyone know if this radio speaks the menus like the Baofeng HT units do? You might reply off-list on this since it's not really Chirp related. Thanks.

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[chirp_users] New Radio / Use
by Gene Vincent 10 Mar '18

10 Mar '18

Just got a new BTECH 5x3. It is my understanding that there is no other software available except CHIRP. Is there anyway to adjust radio menu items with CHIRP? Listing a few as examples: TX-RX display color, channel display mode (CH#,Freq,Name), I don't see any way to set DTMF alerts, which is the main reason I bought this radio. Thanks in advance.

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[chirp_users] Global Skip/Other Fields with Menues
by Gene Vincent 09 Mar '18

09 Mar '18

I accidentally got the "skIp" field to change all channels entered so far to skip. I don't know how I managed that. I also managed to get them all changed back. With my laptop, not realizing which key combination I hit. Can someone please tell me how to make the channels all skip or all narrow band, etc. using just that column? Thanks.

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[chirp_users] Yaesu ft2900
by RolyT 09 Mar '18

09 Mar '18

I was recommended to put an old driver 3.2 into my PC windows 7 pro for the patch lead.. It took some getting in but I still get the same message error cant find header. any more ideas would be great otherwise why list the radio on chirp ? Cheers Roly T G0UKS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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[chirp_users] New Daily Build
by Build System 09 Mar '18

09 Mar '18

Greetings, A new daily build of CHIRP is available. This includes changes made directly to the tree yesterday, and may include additional features, bug fixes, and/or bugs. If you are interested in trying it, grab it from the following location: http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_daily/daily-20180309 A list of the changes included in this build (since the last daily) follows: Changes for Build #516 [nicolas jon pike <nicolas.jon.pike(a)gmail.com>] New Model #5329 FT70 Driver I now have enough of the driver working to be useful. Read / write memories, a number of the settings, and import from RepeaterBook work. Saving modes dn,vw and AMS in memory channels, do not currently work. Banks have not been tested - may now work, VFO settings not implemented (etc) I have also raised a request for C4FM to be added to CHIRP Modes. [Mathias Weyland <lt-betrieb(a)hb9uf.ch>] [Alinco DJ-G7] Introduce empty flag, mode & frequency range checks. At the time I was adding support for the DJ-G7 radio, I was not aware of a flag that was used to hide memory channels in the main band. The main band only supports a subset of modes and frequencies on this radio. My original code used this flag improperly, such that a channel was never hidden from the main band regardless of its settings. This does not do any harm to the radio, but such a memory channel is useless in the main band due to hardware constraints. More importantly, the original programming software by Alinco crashes when operating on a memory map pulled from a radio programmed with chirp if the flag is not used correctly. After some discussions with and advice from Emiel, I have completed a patch that adds proper support for this flag. The patch is attached. See #5275 for a more in-depth discussion of the issue.

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[chirp_users] Memory channel
by Kevin 09 Mar '18

09 Mar '18

I have a Yeasu FT-857d, I was able to load all the repeaters I wanted in from importing from repeaterbook, My questions is, is there a easy way to rename the channels to the frequency instead of the repeater call sign?Thanks in advance.Kevin KI7MOC

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Re: [chirp_users] MAC & Yaesu FT2d? (Michael Sanford)
by Kell Bodholt 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

I'm a recent Chirp (mac version) user that is running macOS and a FT-2DR. As stated by others, get the RT Systems usb cable and download the RT Systems macOS drivers from the RT Systems website, together with the instructions. I did this and my MacBook Air recognizes the usb driver and I'm able to use Chirp in the macOS environment (not in a parallel environment). RT Systems USB-68 programming cable for the FT-2DR: https://www.rtsystemsinc.com/USB-68-Programming-Cable-p/usb-68.htm RT Systems USB-68 macOS drivers: https://www.rtsystemsinc.com/kb_results.asp?ID=9 Hope this helps. Kell -----Original Message----- From: <chirp_users-bounces(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> on behalf of <chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Reply-To: <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Date: Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:02 PM To: <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Subject: chirp_users Digest, Vol 111, Issue 4 MAC & Yaesu FT2d? (Michael Sanford)

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[chirp_users] More info to solve the Macbook 10.9.5/Yaesu ft2900 MARS expanded/valley enterprises cable "no joy"
by Peter Ryan 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

D.J. Ring has been very helpful in his ongoing patient advice on this issue, and asked me to outline the drivers on my 10.9.5 Macbook. I have zero background in computers and such, and so much of the advice from others goes right over my head, and I am sure many others. Here is the list of drivers on my Mac with the Valley Ent. cable plugged in. USB Hi-Speed Bus Apple USB-EHCI OxO aa9and an aa6, and an OxO5ac, and an OxO aa7 FT232R vender ID: FTDIlocation: OxO620000000 / 3 BRCM2046 HubOxOa5c (Broadcom)location: OxO610000000 / 2 then some other Apple related "keyboard" and "IR Receiver" related stuff. NOTHING ELSE!Does that mean I have all that I need in order to program my Yaesu 2900R on CHIRP or not?

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[chirp_users] Has ANYONE actually succeeded in programming a Yaesu FT2900 on CHIRP?
by Peter Ryan 07 Mar '18

07 Mar '18

If there is anyone who has actually SUCCEEDED in programming the FT2900R on CHIRP with a Macbook (10.5.5 Maverick here), would you please offer a reply here? My query last week received no responses. And I am reading mixed messages and member's thoughts and opinions on the subject in yesterday's other member's parallel question, but we have not seen anything from anyone who has actually succeeded with a Mac and a Valley Enterprises cable. I suspect there are several here who would profit from a "step-by-step" tutorial from a member who has. It is listed as a programmable radio on Chirp, but at this point, I am starting to wonder why. Thanks in advance for your help on this. :)

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[chirp_users] Baofeng UV-6 "refused to send second block 0x1ec0"
by Charley Bratton 07 Mar '18

07 Mar '18

While attempting to run the initial download for a group of new recently received Baofeng UV-6 radios, all are responding with “radio refused to send second block 0x1ec0” right at the tail end of the download... I’m using the most recent CHIRP build for Mac. I’ve attempted multiple Macs, no difference. I’ve attempted older 2017 versions of CHIRP, no difference. The cable I’m using works for other Baofengs, including UV-6 units we purchased 5 months ago, just not these particular UV-6 units. These units are clearly labeled UV-6 (not UV-6R). Tried the UV-6R setting just in case, but the download didn’t start. Any suggestions? -Charley KE4QBW

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[chirp_users] MAC & Yaesu FT2d?
by J 07 Mar '18

07 Mar '18

Running CHIRP on a MacBook Pro running 10.7.?. I can access my FT60R but the FT2D is throwing an error code about the USB port not being installed? Any help would be greatly appreciated. John KY4BSL

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[chirp_users] Yaesu ft2900 no connection
by RolyT 07 Mar '18

07 Mar '18

Why doe’s Chirp have the Yaesu FT2900 listed as one that can be programmed. I purchased a lead with disc, the disc has programs for other radios but the one for Yaesu is in Chinese so hoped that Chirp would do the job. It fails with the error—cannot find header and since then after searching around at least 2 years ago people were having problems but looking through them no one seems to have an answer. Am I doing something wrong, I have a Boafeng and that works fine. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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[chirp_users] Thanks to the group
by Brandon Clark 05 Mar '18

05 Mar '18

Thanks to the Chirp developers for supporting this project. There was a bit of a learning curve for me, but I finally got three of my radios programmed using Chirp. (I had been using RT Systems before but switched to Chirp when I switched my systems to Linux.) I recently moved to Alaska so I've had to not just rearrange channels, but do a complete reprogram of all repeaters, nodes, and simplex frequencies. To any other fellow Chirp-newbies out there this was the process I used: 1. Find cables that worked with my radios (the RT Systems ones wouldn't), 2. Download what was already programmed in my radios, 3. Export to a CSV file so I would have the formatting right, 4. Work with the new channels I wanted in LibreOffice: 1. Change the layout of my spreadsheets from the way RTSys was arranged to the way Chirp is laid out, 5. Paste values into the CSV exports, 6. Import into Chirp, 7. Upload into the radios, I still have an Icom Ht that I'm having communication issues with (no pun intended), but once I get that worked out I should be in business. Anyway, thanks to the developers for making an open source and cross platform programming option. 73, Brandon Clark, KL7BSC

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[chirp_users] CSV file.
by Dennis Wage 02 Mar '18

02 Mar '18

The answer to my question is pretty apparent, but I want to double check. In the CSV file I'm assuming that some, most or all of the numeric columns cannot be blank or set to zero. Example: Changing tone mode to (None) in Chirp is blank in csv. However if I change rToneFreq, cToneFreq which are now unused to 0 or blank I get an error when importing. So when tone mode is set to none rToneFreq cToneFreq are simply ignored? Dennis M. Wage 245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://overdubs.net

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[chirp_users] Problems connecting Yaesu FT-2900r
by Peter Ryan 02 Mar '18

02 Mar '18

Hi Guys: I just received my Valley Enterprise Yaesu FT-2900R cable (RPC-YM6-UF). Upon trying to connect CHIRP on my MACBOOK 10.9.5 Maverick XOS, and the MARS-modified 2900R radio, I get an error message of: "Could not open port (error #2)...no such file or directory."I am successful with connecting my Yaesu FT-60 to the Mac, and I did not make any changes to the computer before attempting to hook up the FT-2900R, but with the FT-2900 cable plugged in, I do get an new extra choice in my drop down menu "RADIO: Download from radio" "serial" box choices. The FT-60 works using the original "/DEV/cu.usbserial", but the FT-2900R fails to work with either that older choice, or the new choice of "/DEV/cu.usbserial-A107368". I have gone to the various CHIRP help forums, and there is a lot about using a build made before some date before circa 06/2016 for a MARS "modded" radio, but that seems to relate only to a PC using Windows. The MacBook info didn't seem to relate to a need for an earlier "build". Indeed, I couldn't find any new builds for a MAC since 2016. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help in advance.MacBook 10.9.5Yaesu Ft-2900R mobile radio Valley Ent. FT-1900/2900 FTDI cable

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Re: [chirp_users] Skip Channels Scan Baofeng UV-5R (HN5RV01) (1FB297)
by Darby Collier 28 Feb '18

28 Feb '18

Yes. On Feb 27, 2018 07:01, "Dennis Wage" <dwage(a)dwage.com> wrote: Should skip (S) work on this radio? Dennis M. Wage 245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://overdubs.net _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to DarbyInGreen at collier.darby(a)gmail.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@ intrepid.danplanet.com

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[chirp_users] Unable to Connect
by Richard Gaun 27 Feb '18

27 Feb '18

For the first time in many years I'm unable to read or program my UV-82. I keep getting a "com" error When trying to download. Just yesterday I successfully use the software to program several other radios. Help!!! Thanks. Rich +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard P Gaun, III P.O. Box 382 Youngtown, Arizona 85363 Cell & Text 480-273-3755 The information contained within the referenced, linked, or directed email communication is intended to be a confidential communication between the original sender and recipient(s), and is to be treated as confidential. Any and all works, ideas, or copy within are not to be used in any manner other by which they were intended. If you believe you have received this or any other email in error, please contact me at the above email. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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[chirp_users] Skip Channels Scan Baofeng UV-5R (HN5RV01) (1FB297)
by Dennis Wage 27 Feb '18

27 Feb '18

Should skip (S) work on this radio? Dennis M. Wage 245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://overdubs.net

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Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 110, Issue 17
by C.S. Arthur 23 Feb '18

23 Feb '18

to Scott Brady: my cheap junk programming cable that refused to work had an ‘official’ looking Baofeng label on it. the 12 dollar special i bought from BaoTech or one of those real Baofeng vendors works flawlessly. dont be misled by labels (Baofeng UV-5TPS) C.S. Arthur csarthur(a)gmail.com KE7EFS > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 17:45:04 -0700 > From: Scott Brady <utahkarate(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [chirp_users] Trouble with iOS 10.13.3 > To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > Message-ID: > <CAHpcEUh0PUFAbL+tYRavs8kYPZvZJHi35+AbCFdv4G+2t92Qtw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > > I have been trying in vain to get my radio to talk with CHIRP on my Macbook > Pro running 10.13.3. I have downloaded and installed the latest cable > drivers and the latest CHIRP build. I have verified that the cable is > recognized, but when I try to download from the radio, even with the > correct radio (UV-5RV2+) and port (/dev/cu.usbserial), it simply hangs and > says that the radio did not respond. All of the software works great on my > PC, but I have been trying to get the Mac version to work for a long time > with no luck. I have scanned countless forums and mail lists, but I have > yet to find a solution. The cable I have is a Baofeng cable (it says > Baofeng right on it), so I assume that this is not a cheap junk cable. I > have attached the debug log below. Can anyone help please!! >

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[chirp_users] Trouble with iOS 10.13.3
by Scott Brady 23 Feb '18

23 Feb '18

Hello, I have been trying in vain to get my radio to talk with CHIRP on my Macbook Pro running 10.13.3. I have downloaded and installed the latest cable drivers and the latest CHIRP build. I have verified that the cable is recognized, but when I try to download from the radio, even with the correct radio (UV-5RV2+) and port (/dev/cu.usbserial), it simply hangs and says that the radio did not respond. All of the software works great on my PC, but I have been trying to get the Mac version to work for a long time with no luck. I have scanned countless forums and mail lists, but I have yet to find a solution. The cable I have is a Baofeng cable (it says Baofeng right on it), so I assume that this is not a cheap junk cable. I have attached the debug log below. Can anyone help please!!

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[chirp_users] Alinco Cable Experience?
by Brandon Clark 23 Feb '18

23 Feb '18

Hello group, I'm probably going to be purchasing an Alinco DJ-G7 soon, and I was wondering if the Alinco brand cable (part # ERW-7) works with Chirp? Has anyone used it before? The instructions for it indicate that it uses an FTDI driver, so I would think it has a genuine FTDI chip in it. 73, Brandon

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[chirp_users] CHIRP w a Motorola CDM750
by George Tucker 22 Feb '18

22 Feb '18

Does anyone have any experience using CHIRP with a Motorola CDM750 or any of its generation of radios? GeorgeW6HAF

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[chirp_users] Freq. list download to radio from chirp freq. web list
by Harold 22 Feb '18

22 Feb '18

What (import to radio) do I choose to download from 0-1000 freq. list on chirp freq. list, that I have chosen for my radio Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: [chirp_users] CHIRP Drivers for Kenwood TH-G71
by Dave B 22 Feb '18

22 Feb '18

Hi. As the TH-G71 is already listed in Chirp. (CHIRP daily-20180210 at least.) You need to use USBview ( http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Utilities/usbview.zip ) to determine the chipset the cable or radio uses, then go to the chipset companies website, or the radio maker's site, if the chip is built into the radio, and pull the driver setup files for your OS. (It is a genuine Microsoft tool, just that FTDI host a copy, as it's difficult to find on MS's pages, or a genuine version elsewhere. There is a Linux version too, but needs building from source, not difficult, but not exactly a beginner option.) Kenwood (and others) have used SiLabs USB/Serial chips for many products, I don't know for that radio. Check the Kenwood radio website. If you bought or made up a cable, then it's the USB/Serial chip in that you need the OS drivers for. Take care with anything that identifies itself as using a Prolific chip. There are many fakes, that the current officially supported (by Prolific and MS) will not work with. (There are even fake FTDI chips out there!) As in all things these days, Google is your friend. One thing I'm noticing these days across many ham forums, Windows 10 and anything MAC related, is a nightmare. Stick with Windows 7 (or 8/8.1) while you can, or move to Linux (something like Ubuntu or Mint, easier for Windows users to learn, and start with a 32 bit release.) Chirp runs on Linux just fine, and even all the fake USB/Serial chips seem to still work OK. No endorsement, just saying. 73. Dave G0WBX. On 21/02/18 20:00, chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com wrote: > Subject: [chirp_users] CHIRP Drivers for Kenwood TH-G71 > To: "chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com" > <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> > Message-ID: > <CY4PR12MB1813475A122EA549CF6EF13E9BCF0(a)CY4PR12MB1813.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hi, > I need the drivers to connect CHIRP to a Kenwood radio, model TH-G71. Someone knows where I can download these drivers? (I?m using Windows 10). > > Thanks, > > Jos? Maria Barros > PU3-JOB > Brazil -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software:

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[chirp_users] Rig Settings
by Alan Hayes 21 Feb '18

21 Feb '18

I'm not seeing where the program allows to receive/send the radio settings to the rig other than the basics. Is that correct? Thanks 73 , Alan -NE5AH

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[chirp_users] BaoFeng BF-F9V2+
by Harold Witte 21 Feb '18

21 Feb '18

I recently bought this radio, but when I try to program it, there is no listing for this model, tried the #8 model but notice comes up error no radio found Could use some help on this problem.i

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[chirp_users] CHIRP Drivers for Kenwood TH-G71
by José Maria Barros 21 Feb '18

21 Feb '18

Hi, I need the drivers to connect CHIRP to a Kenwood radio, model TH-G71. Someone knows where I can download these drivers? (I’m using Windows 10). Thanks, José Maria Barros PU3-JOB Brazil

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Re: [chirp_users] BaoFeng BF-F9V2+
by Darby Collier 21 Feb '18

21 Feb '18

Sorry, I meant to say "try" looking. I would check for you but I'm not near a pc. On Feb 20, 2018 16:10, "Harold Witte" <jungemeister(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: I recently bought this radio, but when I try to program it, there is no listing for this model, tried the #8 model but notice comes up error no radio found Could use some help on this problem.i _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to DarbyInGreen at collier.darby(a)gmail.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@ intrepid.danplanet.com

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[chirp_users] CHIRP x Windows 10
by José Maria Barros 20 Feb '18

20 Feb '18

Hi everybody, I am trying to use CHIRP in a computer with W10, but I can´t do it. The CHIRP doesn´t run. Any suggest? Thank you, JB Brazil

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Re: [chirp_users] Yaesu FT-2DR and Mac OS 10.13.3 (High, Sierra) Programming Cable Recommendation
by Dave B 19 Feb '18

19 Feb '18

Under Windows, you can use USBview. http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Utilities/usbview.zip This is actually a genuine Microsoft tool, but it's almost impossible to find on any MS site. It's too useful not to have! For Linux:- http://www.kroah.com/linux-usb/ Is very good, but you need to build from source. In truth, it's a modified fork of the source for the above Microsoft program. You also need to run it with root privileges, or use sudo from the users command line, or gksu in a desktop launcher. If there is anything similar for Mac's, I have no knowledge. Perhaps the Linux source could be persuaded to build on a Mac? But how useful it would be, I don't know, as Mac's are based on BSD, not Linux, the devil is in the detail etc. 73. Dave G0WBX. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 18/02/18 20:00, chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:22:24 -0500 > From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea(a)arrl.net> > Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Yaesu FT-2DR and Mac OS 10.13.3 (High > Sierra) Programming Cable Recommendation > To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> > Message-ID: > <CADO5RbiTo78aSwmbiL7fSQv+6XYKGSFVimiwdkDDZyntWJBe7w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The cable does not know and does not care which program runs on a computer > it is plugged into. > > The cable you have should work fine IF the cable hardware is supported by > MAC OS. > > In linux there are commands like lsusb and lshw which would tell what USB > devicee are plugged in. > > That is how I found out the type USB cable I had. > > 73 > DR > N1EA

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Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users] Ml3245 programing
by Mark Worley 19 Feb '18

19 Feb '18

Does anyone know of available software for ericsson GE pm45a Jim Unroe <rock.unroe(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:09 PM, jquinn53 <jquinn53(a)eastex.net> wrote: >> >> Does anyone know of anyone that has access to the software that I could >> purchase? > >After a quick google, it appears that P&W may have it. >https://www.pwservice.com/radios/legacy/mobile/legacy_ml3245.aspx > >Jim KC9HI >_______________________________________________ >chirp_users mailing list >chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >This message was sent to Mark Worley at e050671(a)yahoo.com >To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com

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[chirp_users] Ml3245 programing
by jquinn53 19 Feb '18

19 Feb '18

Does anyone know of anyone that has access to the software that I could purchase? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 5 ACTIVE™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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[chirp_users] Yaesu FT-2DR and Mac OS 10.13.3 (High Sierra) Programming Cable Recommendation
by Kell Bodholt 18 Feb '18

18 Feb '18

Looking for some specific advice for a FTDI cable for use with the Yaesu FT-2DR and Mac OS 10.13.3 on McBook Air (not running Windows on a separate partition). I have reviewed the Chirp FAQ, cable sections, Activity, etc. and have searched various websites for a specific FTDI USB cable without success as most that I have located do not have the correct connection to plug into the FT-2DR. The FT-2DR came with a USB cable, but I believe this is a cable specifically for updating the firmware and not for programing via Chirp. I'm unable to find any info on the Yaesu USB cable whether it’s a FTDI and/or Prolific type cable, but I suspect that its neither as my MacBook Air does nothing when plugged in nor does Chirp recognize any available port for uploading/receiving HT data. The FT-2DR does have a SD card, and I have event tried making a backup file of the memory channels (file name created on SD card is MEMORY.dat), taking that file and loading it into Chirp, manipulating with my local repeater info, re-save as a MEMORY.dat file, and on the FT-2DR read the file with no success. I've spent way too much time trying to figure this out, and I am giving up. So can anyone recommend a FTDI cable specific for the FT-2DR that will work with Chirp on my MacBook Air or alternatively a FTDI cable specific to the FT-2DR that will work with Chirp on a Windows 10 machine. I don't want to fuss with counterfeit cables and the headache of loading appropriate drivers. The data cable that came with the FT-2DR is a std USB on one end and the end that goes into the data port on the FT-2DR I believe is a mini usb. Thank you in advance. Svenster -----Original Message----- From: <chirp_users-bounces(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> on behalf of <chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Reply-To: <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Date: Saturday, February 10, 2018 at 12:01 PM To: <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Subject: chirp_users Digest, Vol 110, Issue 4 Send chirp_users mailing list submissions to chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com You can reach the person managing the list at chirp_users-owner(a)intrepid.danplanet.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of chirp_users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. New Daily Build (Build System) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 00:13:48 -0800 (PST) From: Build System <donotreply(a)danplanet.com> Subject: [chirp_users] New Daily Build To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: <874799113.100.1518250428614.JavaMail.jenkins(a)eagle.danplanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Greetings, A new daily build of CHIRP is available. This includes changes made directly to the tree yesterday, and may include additional features, bug fixes, and/or bugs. If you are interested in trying it, grab it from the following location: http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_daily/daily-20180210 A list of the changes included in this build (since the last daily) follows: Changes for Build #515 [Dan Smith <dsmith(a)danplanet.com>] Fix MURS1 radio to use validate_memory() and make edges test case tolerant This fixes one test case that should ignore memories that don't validate from the radio, and makes the MURS1 radio support said validation. This is related to #5255 [Jim Unroe <rock.unroe(a)gmail.com>] [MURS-V1] Add Support for BTech MURS-V1 This patch adds support for the BTech MURS-V1 handheld radio. #5255 [Jim Unroe <rock.unroe(a)gmail.com>] [MURS-V1] Prepare CHIRP for BTech MURS-V1 (update baofeng_common.py) The BTech GMRS-V1 and BTech MURS-V1 are very different radios but both respond to the same "magic". This patch provides checks to make sure... 1. the model selected by the user matches the physical radio model. 2. the image being uploaded matches the physical radio model. related to #5255 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com End of chirp_users Digest, Vol 110, Issue 4 *******************************************

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[chirp_users] Midland ml3245
by jquinn53 17 Feb '18

17 Feb '18

Will an older version of chirp program a midland ml3245 and on what windows operating system. Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 5 ACTIVE™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone

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[chirp_users] Yaesu VX-6
by Garnet Robinson 15 Feb '18

15 Feb '18

Hello All, Where can I buy a programming cable that will work with CHIRP, Windows 10, and my Yaesu VX-6? Thanks. Sent with the help of my cat. 🐱

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Re: [chirp_users] linux command line
by David 15 Feb '18

15 Feb '18

Thanks, this definitely helps, I will take another look and give it a try if I can get it set up --David At 02:57 PM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: >Well, that's what I though, but hey look at >that.. I did just see that command line chirp >can do some editing!Â You can list the >settings, list the memory channels, set a memory >channel, clear a memory channel and copy a >memory channel. So about the only thing you >can't do is edit settings. I was only looking >for something to upload to the radio so I hadn't >paid attention to the rest of the README. I just >tired it out on on of my images and it seems to >work. From the README page on github: > > >List Settings >------------- > >For radios that support settings, you can list the current settings >in a saved image: > > chirpc --mmap=<file> --list-settings > > >Show Memory Channels >-------------------- > >You can list all current memory channels in a saved image: > > chirpc --mmap=<file> --list-mem > >That command only lists the currently programmed channels. To see the >complete list (including empty channels), add '--verbose'. > >To view only a single channel, use the --get-mem option: > > chirpc --mmap=<file> --get-mem <channel> > > >Set a Memory Channel >-------------------- > > chirpc --mmap=<file> --set-mem-name=<name> ... <channel> > >See the --help text for a complete list of options that can be used >to configure the channel. Any settings that are not configured using >a command option will be left unchanged. > > >Clearing a Memory Channel >------------------------- > >You can clear a memory channel, discarding all settings: > > chirpc --mmap=<file> --clear-mem <channel> > > >Copying a Memory Channel >------------------------ > >You can copy a memory channel: > > chirpc --mmap=<file> --copy-mem <source_channel> <destination_channel> > >Note: The contents of <destination_channel> will be overwritten with >the contents from <source_channel> > > >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:08 PM, David ><<mailto:BearSFO@pacbell.net>BearSFO(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > >So, from what you just described, the edits >would still need to be done inside chirp GUI? > >--David > > >At 10:48 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: >>Good question. chirp certainly works in a Linux >>GUI (I've used it on Ubuntu and it works >>great!). But as for the command-line, editing >>is not an option as documented in the chirp.hg >>software link I sent. I tried vim'ing the img >>file but it looks like it's binary. Quick >>command-line edits would be handy though, for >>sure - although I imagine it would be one of >>those things that would be really easy to mess >>up if you put in the wrong type of >>character/data or whitespace. It would probably >>need a validator command with it to validate >>the img file before trying to upload it to your >>radio. I think it's one of things where it's >>not an option because no one's developed it >>yet. The user-base would probably be a fraction >>of the users who use the GUI so all the time and focus goes to the GUI.Ã >> >>Also, I mentioned that my implementation uses >>Dropbox to sync the img files around - you of >>course use scp or rsync or some other filesync >>utility. I just used Dropbox because my radio >>files were already there and it was quick and >>easy to generate a public (yet obscure) URL and just do a wget. >> >>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09 AM, David >><<mailto:BearSFO@pacbell.net>BearSFO(a)pacbell.net> wrote: >>My linux implementation have no GUI set up, and >>I just want to be able to read/write from/to my >>radios.ÃÂ I can certainly edit the file >>somewhere else, dump it in, and then run chirp. >>Having said that, is there a reason why it cannot be edited on linux? >>--David >> >>At 09:36 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: >>>Nah, I'd have to disagree, Nigel.Ã I don't >>>need tto create/edit radio config files every >>>time I use chirp, often times I just need to >>>update a radio with a config I already have.Ã >>>It's 100% usable from the command line for me >>>for the scenario I described. Having the >>>ability to have a pocket-sized headless radio >>>updater is completely useful for me. I can >>>think of other applications, too - if you had >>>a dozen (or a hundred) radios that needed the >>>same config applied repeatedly then you could >>>add a button to that raspberry pi that >>>triggered the command line update script and >>>update your radios as fast as you could unplug >>>and plug them from the programming cable >>>(without having to click through the GUI). >>>They don't all have to be the same radio, >>>either. My script cycles through my 4 >>>different radio types automatically until it >>>finds the right one to update. If I were using >>>the GUI I would have to open 4 different files >>>and click through all the update confirmation >>>dialogs. With my headless updater I just plug >>>in whatever radio I want updated and kick off >>>the update command and then wait for it to finish.Ã >>>So, I understand that a command line chirp >>>would not be useful to some (maybe even most), >>>but that doesn't mean it's not usable to others.Ã >>>David, what application were you looking for? >>> >>>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Nigel A. Gunn >>>G8IFF/W8IFF <<mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: >>>If you have to create/edit your radio config >>>files from the GUI on your desktop then Chirp >>>is not fully usable from the command line. >>> >>> >>>>On 14 February 2018 at 02:51 Tycen Stafford >>>><<mailto:tycen@tycen.com>tycen(a)tycen.com> wrote: >>>>Yes, you can use Chirp on the command >>>>line:ÃÃÂ >>>><https://github.com/tylert/chirp.hg>https://github.com/tylert/chirp.hg >>>>I use a Raspberry Pi Zero W as a headless >>>>chirp updater (for my mobile radio). I keep >>>>my chirp files saved in a Dropbox folder with >>>>public URLs - this way I can edit from the >>>>GUI on my desktop and then fire up the >>>>Raspberry Pi in the car (using my phone's >>>>hotspot feature) so it can pull the latest >>>>chirp images from Dropbox (via wget) and >>>>update the radio using command line chirp. >>>>I'm still working on the README but here's my >>>>files for putting it all >>>>together:ÃÃÂ >>>><https://github.com/tycen/chirpi>https://github.com/tycen/chirpi >>>>I just call the updater script from cron on reboot. >>>>-Tycen >>>>On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Nigel A. >>>>Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF <<mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: >>>>You can start it from the command line >>>>(chirpw) but it is not usable without a GUI. >>>> > On 13 February 2018 at 20:24 David <BearSFO(a)PacBell.NET> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Does chirp works on the linux command line? thanks >>>> > >>>> > --David >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > chirp_users mailing list >>>> > >>>> <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>>> > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>>> > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF >>>> at <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >>>> > To unsubscribe, send an email to >>>> <mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>>> >>>>Nigel A. Gunn, >>>><https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>1865 >>>>El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel <http://??>+1 937 825 5032 >>>>Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), >>>>e-mail >>>><mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net www >>>><http://www.ngunn.net>http://www.ngunn.net >>>>Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, >>>>Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385, >>>>Ã Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES,, EAA382. >>>>______________________________ _________________ >>>>chirp_users mailing list >>>><mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>>> >>>>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>>>This message was sent to Tycen at <mailto:tycen@tycen.com>tycen(a)tycen.com >>>>To unsubscribe, send an email to >>>><mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>>> > >_______________________________________________ >chirp_users mailing list ><mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at ><mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >To unsubscribe, send an email to ><mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > >Nigel A. Gunn, ><https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>1865 >El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel ><tel:(937)%20825-5032>+1 937 825 5032 >Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), >e-mail <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >www <http://www.ngunn.net>http://www.ngunn.net >Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying >Pigs QRP Club International #385, >Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. >

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[chirp_users] Answer: where to buy a programming cable for VXt6r
by James Gustanski 15 Feb '18

15 Feb '18

Garnet I have had good luck on on both Mac OS and Windows 10 computers and my VX6r with the cable I purchased from Mark Dunkle KJ6ZWL. His company is BlueMax49ers. Here’s a link to the one you need on Ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-USB-Programming-Cable-Yaesu-VX-6E-VX-6R-VX-7E… <https://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-USB-Programming-Cable-Yaesu-VX-6E-VX-6R-VX-7E…> Cheers and 73 Jim KJ6TRT

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Re: [chirp_users] linux command line
by Tycen Stafford 14 Feb '18

14 Feb '18

Well, that's what I though, but hey look at that... I did just see that command line chirp can do some editing! You can list the settings, list the memory channels, set a memory channel, clear a memory channel and copy a memory channel. So about the only thing you can't do is edit settings. I was only looking for something to upload to the radio so I hadn't paid attention to the rest of the README. I just tired it out on on of my images and it seems to work. From the README page on github: List Settings ------------- For radios that support settings, you can list the current settings in a saved image: chirpc --mmap=<file> --list-settings Show Memory Channels -------------------- You can list all current memory channels in a saved image: chirpc --mmap=<file> --list-mem That command only lists the currently programmed channels. To see the complete list (including empty channels), add '--verbose'. To view only a single channel, use the --get-mem option: chirpc --mmap=<file> --get-mem <channel> Set a Memory Channel -------------------- chirpc --mmap=<file> --set-mem-name=<name> ... <channel> See the --help text for a complete list of options that can be used to configure the channel. Any settings that are not configured using a command option will be left unchanged. Clearing a Memory Channel ------------------------- You can clear a memory channel, discarding all settings: chirpc --mmap=<file> --clear-mem <channel> Copying a Memory Channel ------------------------ You can copy a memory channel: chirpc --mmap=<file> --copy-mem <source_channel> <destination_channel> Note: The contents of <destination_channel> will be overwritten with the contents from <source_channel> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 1:08 PM, David <BearSFO(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > > So, from what you just described, the edits would still need to be done > inside chirp GUI? > > --David > > > At 10:48 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: > > Good question. chirp certainly works in a Linux GUI (I've used it on > Ubuntu and it works great!). But as for the command-line, editing is not an > option as documented in the chirp.hg software link I sent. I tried vim'ing > the img file but it looks like it's binary. Quick command-line edits would > be handy though, for sure - although I imagine it would be one of those > things that would be really easy to mess up if you put in the wrong type of > character/data or whitespace. It would probably need a validator command > with it to validate the img file before trying to upload it to your radio. > I think it's one of things where it's not an option because no one's > developed it yet. The user-base would probably be a fraction of the users > who use the GUI so all the time and focus goes to the GUI.Â > > Also, I mentioned that my implementation uses Dropbox to sync the img > files around - you of course use scp or rsync or some other filesync > utility. I just used Dropbox because my radio files were already there and > it was quick and easy to generate a public (yet obscure) URL and just do a > wget. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09 AM, David <BearSFO(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > > My linux implementation have no GUI set up, and I just want to be able to > read/write from/to my radios.Â I can certainly edit the file somewhere > else, dump it in, and then run chirp. > > Having said that, is there a reason why it cannot be edited on linux? > > --David > > > At 09:36 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: > > Nah, I'd have to disagree, Nigel.Ã‚ I don't need to create/edit radio > config files every time I use chirp, often times I just need to update a > radio with a config I already have.Ã‚ > > It's 100% usable from the command line for me for the scenario I > described. Having the ability to have a pocket-sized headless radio updater > is completely useful for me. I can think of other applications, too - if > you had a dozen (or a hundred) radios that needed the same config applied > repeatedly then you could add a button to that raspberry pi that triggered > the command line update script and update your radios as fast as you could > unplug and plug them from the programming cable (without having to click > through the GUI). They don't all have to be the same radio, either. My > script cycles through my 4 different radio types automatically until it > finds the right one to update. If I were using the GUI I would have to open > 4 different files and click through all the update confirmation dialogs. > With my headless updater I just plug in whatever radio I want updated and > kick off the update command and then wait for it to finish.Ã‚ > > So, I understand that a command line chirp would not be useful to some > (maybe even most), but that doesn't mean it's not usable to others.Ã‚ > > David, what application were you looking for? > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF < > nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: If you have to create/edit your radio config > files from the GUI on your desktop then Chirp is not fully usable from the > command line. > > > On 14 February 2018 at 02:51 Tycen Stafford <tycen(a)tycen.com> wrote: Yes, > you can use Chirp on the command line:Ã‚Â https://github.com/tylert/ > chirp.hg > I use a Raspberry Pi Zero W as a headless chirp updater (for my mobile > radio). I keep my chirp files saved in a Dropbox folder with public URLs - > this way I can edit from the GUI on my desktop and then fire up the > Raspberry Pi in the car (using my phone's hotspot feature) so it can pull > the latest chirp images from Dropbox (via wget) and update the radio using > command line chirp. I'm still working on the README but here's my files for > putting it all together:Ã‚Â https://github.com/tycen/chirpi > I just call the updater script from cron on reboot. > -Tycen > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF < > nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: You can start it from the command line (chirpw) > but it is not usable without a GUI. > > On 13 February 2018 at 20:24 David <BearSFO(a)PacBell.NET> wrote: > > > > > Does chirp works on the linux command line? thanks > > --David > > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing > list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/ > mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF > at nigel(a)ngunn.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to > chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>-1115, > USA. tel +1 937 825 5032 <http://??> Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was > KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel(a)ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net Member of > ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385, Ã‚ > Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. ______________________________ > _________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid. > danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This > message was sent to Tycen at tycen(a)tycen.com To unsubscribe, send an > email to chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at nigel(a)ngunn.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@ > intrepid.danplanet.com > > Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>-1115, > USA. tel +1 937 825 5032 <(937)%20825-5032> > Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel(a)ngunn.net www > http://www.ngunn.net > Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club > International #385, > Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. > >

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Re: [chirp_users] linux command line
by David 14 Feb '18

14 Feb '18

So, from what you just described, the edits would still need to be done inside chirp GUI? --David At 10:48 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: >Good question. chirp certainly works in a Linux >GUI (I've used it on Ubuntu and it works >great!). But as for the command-line, editing is >not an option as documented in the chirp.hg >software link I sent. I tried vim'ing the img >file but it looks like it's binary. Quick >command-line edits would be handy though, for >sure - although I imagine it would be one of >those things that would be really easy to mess >up if you put in the wrong type of >character/data or whitespace. It would probably >need a validator command with it to validate the >img file before trying to upload it to your >radio. I think it's one of things where it's not >an option because no one's developed it yet. The >user-base would probably be a fraction of the >users who use the GUI so all the time and focus goes to the GUI.Â > >Also, I mentioned that my implementation uses >Dropbox to sync the img files around - you of >course use scp or rsync or some other filesync >utility. I just used Dropbox because my radio >files were already there and it was quick and >easy to generate a public (yet obscure) URL and just do a wget. > >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09 AM, David ><<mailto:BearSFO@pacbell.net>BearSFO(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > >My linux implementation have no GUI set up, and >I just want to be able to read/write from/to my >radios.Â I can certainly edit the file >somewhere else, dump it in, and then run chirp. > >Having said that, is there a reason why it cannot be edited on linux? > >--David > > >At 09:36 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: >>Nah, I'd have to disagree, Nigel.Ã I don't >>need to create/edit radio config files every >>time I use chirp, often times I just need to >>update a radio with a config I already have.Ã >> >>It's 100% usable from the command line for me >>for the scenario I described. Having the >>ability to have a pocket-sized headless radio >>updater is completely useful for me. I can >>think of other applications, too - if you had a >>dozen (or a hundred) radios that needed the >>same config applied repeatedly then you could >>add a button to that raspberry pi that >>triggered the command line update script and >>update your radios as fast as you could unplug >>and plug them from the programming cable >>(without having to click through the GUI). They >>don't all have to be the same radio, either. My >>script cycles through my 4 different radio >>types automatically until it finds the right >>one to update. If I were using the GUI I would >>have to open 4 different files and click >>through all the update confirmation dialogs. >>With my headless updater I just plug in >>whatever radio I want updated and kick off the >>update command and then wait for it to finish.Ã >> >>So, I understand that a command line chirp >>would not be useful to some (maybe even most), >>but that doesn't mean it's not usable to others.Ã >> >>David, what application were you looking for? >> >> >>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Nigel A. Gunn >>G8IFF/W8IFF <<mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: >>If you have to create/edit your radio config >>files from the GUI on your desktop then Chirp >>is not fully usable from the command line. >> >> >>>On 14 February 2018 at 02:51 Tycen Stafford >>><<mailto:tycen@tycen.com>tycen(a)tycen.com> wrote: >>>Yes, you can use Chirp on the command >>>line:ÃÂ >>><https://github.com/tylert/chirp.hg>https://github.com/tylert/chirp.hg >>>I use a Raspberry Pi Zero W as a headless >>>chirp updater (for my mobile radio). I keep my >>>chirp files saved in a Dropbox folder with >>>public URLs - this way I can edit from the GUI >>>on my desktop and then fire up the Raspberry >>>Pi in the car (using my phone's hotspot >>>feature) so it can pull the latest chirp >>>images from Dropbox (via wget) and update the >>>radio using command line chirp. I'm still >>>working on the README but here's my files for >>>putting it all >>>together:ÃÂ <https://github.com/tycen/chirpi>https://github.com/tycen/chirpi >>>I just call the updater script from cron on reboot. >>>-Tycen >>> >>>On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Nigel A. Gunn >>>G8IFF/W8IFF <<mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: >>>You can start it from the command line >>>(chirpw) but it is not usable without a GUI. >>> > On 13 February 2018 at 20:24 David <BearSFO(a)PacBell.NET> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Does chirp works on the linux command line? thanks >>> > >>> > --David >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > chirp_users mailing list >>> > >>> <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>> > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>> > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF >>> at <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >>> > To unsubscribe, send an email to >>> <mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>>Nigel A. Gunn, >>><https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>1865 >>>El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel <http://??>+1 937 825 5032 >>>Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), >>>e-mail <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >>>www <http://www.ngunn.net>http://www.ngunn.net >>>Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, >>>Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385, >>>Ã Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. >>>______________________________ _________________ >>>chirp_users mailing list >>><mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>> >>>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>>This message was sent to Tycen at <mailto:tycen@tycen.com>tycen(a)tycen.com >>>To unsubscribe, send an email to >>><mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>chirp_users mailing list >><mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >> >>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at >><mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >>To unsubscribe, send an email to >><mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > > >Nigel A. Gunn, ><https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>1865 >El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel ><tel:(937)%20825-5032>+1 937 825 5032 >Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), >e-mail <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >www <http://www.ngunn.net>http://www.ngunn.net >Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying >Pigs QRP Club International #385, >Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. >

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Re: [chirp_users] linux command line
by Tycen Stafford 14 Feb '18

14 Feb '18

Good question. chirp certainly works in a Linux GUI (I've used it on Ubuntu and it works great!). But as for the command-line, editing is not an option as documented in the chirp.hg software link I sent. I tried vim'ing the img file but it looks like it's binary. Quick command-line edits would be handy though, for sure - although I imagine it would be one of those things that would be really easy to mess up if you put in the wrong type of character/data or whitespace. It would probably need a validator command with it to validate the img file before trying to upload it to your radio. I think it's one of things where it's not an option because no one's developed it yet. The user-base would probably be a fraction of the users who use the GUI so all the time and focus goes to the GUI. Also, I mentioned that my implementation uses Dropbox to sync the img files around - you of course use scp or rsync or some other filesync utility. I just used Dropbox because my radio files were already there and it was quick and easy to generate a public (yet obscure) URL and just do a wget. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09 AM, David <BearSFO(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > > My linux implementation have no GUI set up, and I just want to be able to > read/write from/to my radios. I can certainly edit the file somewhere > else, dump it in, and then run chirp. > > Having said that, is there a reason why it cannot be edited on linux? > > --David > > > At 09:36 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: > > Nah, I'd have to disagree, Nigel.Â I don't need to create/edit radio > config files every time I use chirp, often times I just need to update a > radio with a config I already have.Â > > It's 100% usable from the command line for me for the scenario I > described. Having the ability to have a pocket-sized headless radio updater > is completely useful for me. I can think of other applications, too - if > you had a dozen (or a hundred) radios that needed the same config applied > repeatedly then you could add a button to that raspberry pi that triggered > the command line update script and update your radios as fast as you could > unplug and plug them from the programming cable (without having to click > through the GUI). They don't all have to be the same radio, either. My > script cycles through my 4 different radio types automatically until it > finds the right one to update. If I were using the GUI I would have to open > 4 different files and click through all the update confirmation dialogs. > With my headless updater I just plug in whatever radio I want updated and > kick off the update command and then wait for it to finish.Â > > So, I understand that a command line chirp would not be useful to some > (maybe even most), but that doesn't mean it's not usable to others.Â > > David, what application were you looking for? > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF < > nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: > > If you have to create/edit your radio config files from the GUI on your > desktop then Chirp is not fully usable from the command line. > > > On 14 February 2018 at 02:51 Tycen Stafford <tycen(a)tycen.com> wrote: > > Yes, you can use Chirp on the command line:Â https://github.com/tylert/ > chirp.hg > > I use a Raspberry Pi Zero W as a headless chirp updater (for my mobile > radio). I keep my chirp files saved in a Dropbox folder with public URLs - > this way I can edit from the GUI on my desktop and then fire up the > Raspberry Pi in the car (using my phone's hotspot feature) so it can pull > the latest chirp images from Dropbox (via wget) and update the radio using > command line chirp. I'm still working on the README but here's my files for > putting it all together:Â https://github.com/tycen/chirpi > > I just call the updater script from cron on reboot. > > -Tycen > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF < > nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: > You can start it from the command line (chirpw) but it is not usable > without a GUI. > > > On 13 February 2018 at 20:24 David <BearSFO(a)PacBell.NET> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does chirp works on the linux command line? thanks > > > > --David > > > > _______________________________________________ > > chirp_users mailing list > > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at nigel(a)ngunn.net > > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@ > intrepid.danplanet.com > > Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>-1115, > USA. tel +1 937 825 5032 <http://??> > Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel(a)ngunn.net www > http://www.ngunn.net > Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club > International #385, > Â Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. > ______________________________ _________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Tycen at tycen(a)tycen.com > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@ > intrepid.danplanet.com > > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at nigel(a)ngunn.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@ > intrepid.danplanet.com > > > > Nigel A. Gunn, 1865 El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>-1115, > USA. tel +1 937 825 5032 <(937)%20825-5032> > Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), e-mail nigel(a)ngunn.net www > http://www.ngunn.net > Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying Pigs QRP Club > International #385, > Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. > >

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Re: [chirp_users] linux command line
by David 14 Feb '18

14 Feb '18

My linux implementation have no GUI set up, and I just want to be able to read/write from/to my radios. I can certainly edit the file somewhere else, dump it in, and then run chirp. Having said that, is there a reason why it cannot be edited on linux? --David At 09:36 AM 2/14/2018, Tycen Stafford wrote: >Nah, I'd have to disagree, Nigel.Â I don't need >to create/edit radio config files every time I >use chirp, often times I just need to update a >radio with a config I already have.Â > >It's 100% usable from the command line for me >for the scenario I described. Having the ability >to have a pocket-sized headless radio updater is >completely useful for me. I can think of other >applications, too - if you had a dozen (or a >hundred) radios that needed the same config >applied repeatedly then you could add a button >to that raspberry pi that triggered the command >line update script and update your radios as >fast as you could unplug and plug them from the >programming cable (without having to click >through the GUI). They don't all have to be the >same radio, either. My script cycles through my >4 different radio types automatically until it >finds the right one to update. If I were using >the GUI I would have to open 4 different files >and click through all the update confirmation >dialogs. With my headless updater I just plug in >whatever radio I want updated and kick off the >update command and then wait for it to finish.Â > >So, I understand that a command line chirp would >not be useful to some (maybe even most), but >that doesn't mean it's not usable to others.Â > >David, what application were you looking for? > > >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:18 AM, Nigel A. Gunn >G8IFF/W8IFF <<mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: > >If you have to create/edit your radio config >files from the GUI on your desktop then Chirp is >not fully usable from the command line. > > >>On 14 February 2018 at 02:51 Tycen Stafford >><<mailto:tycen@tycen.com>tycen(a)tycen.com> wrote: >> >>Yes, you can use Chirp on the command >>line:Â <https://github.com/tylert/chirp.hg>https://github.com/tylert/chirp.hg >> >>I use a Raspberry Pi Zero W as a headless chirp >>updater (for my mobile radio). I keep my chirp >>files saved in a Dropbox folder with public >>URLs - this way I can edit from the GUI on my >>desktop and then fire up the Raspberry Pi in >>the car (using my phone's hotspot feature) so >>it can pull the latest chirp images from >>Dropbox (via wget) and update the radio using >>command line chirp. I'm still working on the >>README but here's my files for putting it all >>together:Â <https://github.com/tycen/chirpi>https://github.com/tycen/chirpi >> >>I just call the updater script from cron on reboot. >> >>-Tycen >> >> >>On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Nigel A. Gunn >>G8IFF/W8IFF <<mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net> wrote: >>You can start it from the command line (chirpw) >>but it is not usable without a GUI. >> >> > On 13 February 2018 at 20:24 David <BearSFO(a)PacBell.NET> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Does chirp works on the linux command line? thanks >> > >> > --David >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > chirp_users mailing list >> > >> <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >> > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >> > This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF >> at <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >> > To unsubscribe, send an email to >> <mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >> >>Nigel A. Gunn, >><https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>1865 >>El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel +1 937 825 5032 >>Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), >>e-mail <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >>www <http://www.ngunn.net>http://www.ngunn.net >>Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, >>Flying Pigs QRP Club International #385, >>Â Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. >>______________________________ _________________ >>chirp_users mailing list >><mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >> >>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>This message was sent to Tycen at <mailto:tycen@tycen.com>tycen(a)tycen.com >>To unsubscribe, send an email to >><mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>chirp_users mailing list >><mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com >> >>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>This message was sent to Nigel Gunn, W8IFF at >><mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >>To unsubscribe, send an email to >><mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com>chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > > >Nigel A. Gunn, ><https://maps.google.com/?q=1865+El+Camino+Drive,+Xenia,+OH+45385&entry=gmai…>1865 >El Camino Drive, Xenia, OH 45385-1115, USA. tel ><tel:(937)%20825-5032>+1 937 825 5032 >Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF (was KC8NHF 9H3GN), >e-mail <mailto:nigel@ngunn.net>nigel(a)ngunn.net >www <http://www.ngunn.net>http://www.ngunn.net >Member of ARRL, QRPARCI #11644, SOC #548, Flying >Pigs QRP Club International #385, >Dayton ARA #2128, AMSAT-NA LM-1691, GCARES, EAA382. >

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[chirp_users] linux command line
by David 14 Feb '18

14 Feb '18

Does chirp works on the linux command line? thanks --David

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[chirp_users] Strange behavior of CHIRP under OS X latest version
by Jean-Paul Louis 13 Feb '18

13 Feb '18

I hadn’t used CHIRP for a while but always kept updating regularly. Last night, I wanted to update my Baofeng UV-82, and found an odd issue with the track pad or a wireless mouse. It seems that there is an X/Y offset between the mouse pointer and the CHIRP action. When I want to select a new radio, the buttons are partially hidden, so I have first to resize the window to see all the buttons. Then the buttons get the focus only if my mouse pointer is almost outside the button. It is very frustrating. Has anyone noticed the same behavior, or is it just me? I am using CHIRP form 02/04/2018 on a MacBook pro with Retina Display and OS X 10.3.3. Just curious, Jean-Paul N1JPL

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[chirp_users] Application Crashes in Mac
by John Laiosa 13 Feb '18

13 Feb '18

After some help from some folks on this users group I was able to get my Mac to recognized the the serial cable. However the problem I am having now is the application crashes after the upload from the radio is complete. I uploaded the latest version of Chirp(20170627) but that did not solved the problem. The Mac is running macOS Sierra version 10.12.5. Thanks for the help. John Laiosa N1BSO

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Re: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RTP BTECH UV-5X3 - both +- in display for offset
by Rich Messeder 12 Feb '18

12 Feb '18

Jim, I compiled the notes from this thread and cross referenced twixt Baofeng-BTECH and CHIRP, so that I keep the relevance. In my testing, I discovered a neat feature: In the 5X3, when using SYNC, and with the NAME in band A and freq in Band B, I normally scroll using Band A. If I swap to Band B, with freq displayed, and hit *, the display toggles twixt the RX and TX freqs, leaving the NAME displayed. 73 de ~Rich~ NE1EE ARES AEC Short email? No html? Here's why: http://emailcharter.org/

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Re: [chirp_users] Repurposing RT-Systems Cables
by Nick 12 Feb '18

12 Feb '18

I know nothing about RT Systems software and hardware. I do know I have converted all my cables to FTDI compliant using the module and instructions in this link. Only thing you need to do is select the proper comm port. No more drivers to worry about. http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_ProgrCable.php Nick K7NQB 73 from Boise. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Brandon Clark <kl7bsc(a)gmail.com> To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: [chirp_users] Repurposing RT-Systems Cables Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:17:37 -0900 Good morning, Question: Has anyone had luck with changing the VID and PID on RT Systems cables? I saw from the CHIRP documentation that it can be done with the FTDI utility, but I'm not sure which utility to use (the FTDI site has many available). Also, is it worth the trouble to do so, or is it better to just get different cables? Background: I have three of these RT Systems cables that I've been using for a few years now, but I've been switching my computers to run Linux and now want to use CHIRP as my programming software. The cables are very well-constructed, so I would like to keep them if possible. If anyone is familiar with the reprogramming process I would appreciate the help. (Feel free to email em off-list, since I'm sure this has been asked before.) 73,Brandon ____________________________________________________________ 1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines in Seconds Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/5a81f8f0f143f78f064f4st04duc

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Re: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RTP BTECH UV-5X3 - both +- in display for offset
by Rich Messeder 12 Feb '18

12 Feb '18

Jim, Thanks for the clear notes. I am save such notes for each radio in a PIM, so that I always have them with me. I explored some Miklor web pages as I read your emails. Comment: I saved the link to Review BTECH 5X3 - Miklor but then renamed it to Miklor BTECH 5X3 Review because I am more likely to look for it in that order...Miklor...BTECH 5X3...Review I suggest (without knowing how or why pages are named in html) that the pages be renamed. Now to the matter at hand. CHIRP daily-20180204 Looking here, in "MEMory - CHannel Programming" http://www.miklor.com/COM/kc9hi/5RMenus.html and trying to coord that with your comment about 9 settings... "The settings of the following menus are also saved into the target channel. This essentially creates a fully operational simplex channel." Did not see 23 BCL in CHIRP channel or in settings (5X3). Seems to me that I'd want this to be global? 17 PTT-ID DTMF S-CODE - band-specific in CHIRP? the web page suggests channel-specific (sensible). 19 When to Send PTT-ID - I guess that I could see this as either band- or channel-specific. Looks global in CHIRP. Did see 33 skip in CHIRP channel, which makes sense to me, but not on web page in "MEMory - CHannel Programming". I guess that Tone Mode is inferred from CHIRP Tone & Tone Sql? How is Cross-mode implemented? I don't see a setting for it. So far, I see, per channel 2 Power 5 Wide | Narrow 10-13 CTCSS, DCS 33 SKIP I intend to become fully conversant with the 5RTP and 5X3, so welcome your comments. ATB 73 de ~Rich~ NE1EE ARES AEC Short email? No html? Here's why: http://emailcharter.org/ On 2018-02-11 16:54:-0500, Jim Unroe wrote: >On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Rich Messeder <NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> Update. >> http://www.miklor.com/BT5X3/5X3-FAQ.php#NewestRadio >> Here I found >> Display shows + and - at the same time >> In Channel Mode this is normal when the TX/RX frequencies differ. >> In Frequency Mode + or - is displayed based on Menu 25 (Shift) >> >> So all is OK. But when I switched to VFO from channel mode, I thought that I'd find a way to see what the channel is programmed with (Kenwood has a feature to copy memory to VFO.) >> >> NE1EE >> > >Rich, > >To see how a memory channel is programmed you just visit each menu >that is stored on a per-channel basis and the current setting will be >displayed. There are 9 of them. These guides explain where and when >each menu is functional. > >http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_MenuDef.php > >Since we have established that menu 25 and menu 26 are not stored on a >per channel basis, what you have to do is see what the TX frequency >is. To do that set the Memory Display Format for the selected display >line (MDF-A or MDF-B) to FREQ. You will be looking at the RX >frequency. Then you can tap the [*] key to put the radio into >"reverse" mode thus displaying the TX frequency. Tap the [*] key once >again to exit "reverse" mode. > >Jim KC9HI

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[chirp_users] Repurposing RT-Systems Cables
by Brandon Clark 12 Feb '18

12 Feb '18

Good morning, Question: Has anyone had luck with changing the VID and PID on RT Systems cables? I saw from the CHIRP documentation that it can be done with the FTDI utility, but I'm not sure which utility to use (the FTDI site has many available). Also, is it worth the trouble to do so, or is it better to just get different cables? Background: I have three of these RT Systems cables that I've been using for a few years now, but I've been switching my computers to run Linux and now want to use CHIRP as my programming software. The cables are very well-constructed, so I would like to keep them if possible. If anyone is familiar with the reprogramming process I would appreciate the help. (Feel free to email em off-list, since I'm sure this has been asked before.) 73, Brandon

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[chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RTP BTECH UV-5X3 - both +- in display for offset
by Rich Messeder 11 Feb '18

11 Feb '18

Update. http://www.miklor.com/BT5X3/5X3-FAQ.php#NewestRadio Here I found Display shows + and - at the same time In Channel Mode this is normal when the TX/RX frequencies differ. In Frequency Mode + or - is displayed based on Menu 25 (Shift) So all is OK. But when I switched to VFO from channel mode, I thought that I'd find a way to see what the channel is programmed with (Kenwood has a feature to copy memory to VFO.) NE1EE ========= I have been using the 5RTP for a few years, and don't recall problems. I just realized that the display does not show either a + or a - for the repeater offset, but shows both the + and -. Ditto the 5X3. I tried several things in CHIRP to change this, and no success. I can add a channel from the keypad, it seems, and then I get only a + or a -, not both. I started with the 5X3 by downloading immediately from the radio, then copied a bunch of channels from my 5RTP file, thinking that the are both the same class of radio. I checked the column headers first, and they seemed to match. I loaded in the file that I saved from the first access of the 5X3, and added a repeater channel. I entered the rcv freq, the tone, a -, and it defaulted to 0.600. When I uploaded that to the radio, I got the +-. 73 de ~Rich~ NE1EE ARES AEC Short email? No html? Here's why: http://emailcharter.org/ 73 de ~Rich~ NE1EE ARES AEC Short email? No html? Here's why: http://emailcharter.org/

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[chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RTP BTECH UV-5X3 - both +- in display for offset
by Rich Messeder 11 Feb '18

11 Feb '18

I have been using the 5RTP for a few years, and don't recall problems. I just realized that the display does not show either a + or a - for the repeater offset, but shows both the + and -. Ditto the 5X3. I tried several things in CHIRP to change this, and no success. I can add a channel from the keypad, it seems, and then I get only a + or a -, not both. I started with the 5X3 by downloading immediately from the radio, then copied a bunch of channels from my 5RTP file, thinking that the are both the same class of radio. I checked the column headers first, and they seemed to match. I loaded in the file that I saved from the first access of the 5X3, and added a repeater channel. I entered the rcv freq, the tone, a -, and it defaulted to 0.600. When I uploaded that to the radio, I got the +-. 73 de ~Rich~ NE1EE ARES AEC Short email? No html? Here's why: http://emailcharter.org/

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