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[chirp_users] Chirp will not start in Fedora 31 nor 32 beta. Works fine in 30
by Fred 10 Apr '20

10 Apr '20

Since I am mostly confined to home due to the restrictions caused by the virus outbreak, I decided to up grade my Linux system from Fedora 30 to the current version which is Fedora 31. After the upgrade, Chirp and a Solitary game which is written in Python no longer worked so I upgraded to the new beta version Fedora 32. This morning, the developers released an update which included many Python changes which fixed the Solitary game but sadly, not Chirp. So, maybe the Chirp developers will have the answer. Here is the output of starting the 20200227 Chirp version with -v: [fred@m5a97r2 chirp-daily]$ ./chirpw -v Traceback (most recent call last): File "./chirpw", line 20, in <module> from chirp import chirp_common File "/home/fred/chirp/chirp-daily/chirp/chirp_common.py", line 979 except errors.InvalidDataError, e: ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax [fred@m5a97r2 chirp-daily]$ The ~/.chirp/debug.log entries are dated 2020-03-14 which are from a Chirp run before upgrading from Fedora 30. A bit of an aside: Is this a Python issue in Chirp or a missing Python 2 file in Fedora 32? I notice that when the command "dnf list --installed | grep python" there is a python3.x86_64, but the python2 file is named python27.x86_64. There is no python2.x86_64 file but there is in Fedora 30 a file python2.x86_64. Although, the which command shows both a /usr/bin/python3 and a /usr/bin/python2 file exist in Fedora 32. There are several link files in /usr/bin/ with python names that seem to be new additions and probably sort all that out though. Thanks for the help. Fred

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[chirp_users] New Daily Build
by Build System 09 Apr '20

09 Apr '20

Greetings, A new daily build of CHIRP is available. This includes changes made directly to the tree yesterday, and may include additional features, bug fixes, and/or bugs. If you are interested in trying it, grab it from the following location: http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_daily/daily-20200409 A list of the changes included in this build (since the last daily) follows: Changes for Build #618 [Tony F <goldstar611(a)hotmail.com>] [h777] Fix some settings not taking effect Fixes #7653 Does not cause regression in #7067 Changes for Build #619 [Dan Smith <dsmith(a)danplanet.com>] [tk3180] Fix DCS squelch encoding The value we set in memory was slightly different from how the OEM software writes it, although the OEM software decodes it properly. With our encoding the radio would not actually transmit the DCS code, rendering it ineffective. Fixes #7777

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Re: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words
by Bill Riess 04 Apr '20

04 Apr '20

I didn't see if the original message said this was via a repeater or direct. If via a repeater, realize some repeaters have a slight delay, especially if the carrier is allowed to drop between transmissions and/or it uses PL/DPL. Some dual mode repeaters (analog/digital) can exhibit this behavior. Also, at least one repeater in my area has a delay (1-2 seconds) on the first transmission in a conversation to discourage "pinging" the repeater. Bill Riess KW9WR(a)ARRL.net AKA: (Bill(a)Riess.us) -----Original Message----- From: chirp_users-bounces(a)intrepid.danplanet.com <chirp_users-bounces(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> On Behalf Of chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 14:00 PM To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: chirp_users Digest, Vol 136, Issue 1 Send chirp_users mailing list submissions to chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to chirp_users-request(a)intrepid.danplanet.com You can reach the person managing the list at chirp_users-owner(a)intrepid.danplanet.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of chirp_users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words (Bill Card) 2. Re: Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words (Ray Hutchinson) 3. Re: Replying to the list with a new (Dennis Wage) 4. Re: Replying to the list with a new (W Paul Mills) 5. Re: Replying to the list with a new (David) 6. Re: Replying to the list with a new (D.J.J. Ring, Jr.) 7. email / forum etiquette (NE1EE - Rich) 8. Re: email / forum etiquette (Richard Shaw) 9. Re: email / forum etiquette (NE1EE - Rich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:31:42 -0700 From: Bill Card <willardscard(a)gmail.com> Subject: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words To: Post to Chirp Mailing List <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Message-ID: <CADT+LLuCbHczz1Bf67nK2Tj7xOYT3xzZszfCXOL8heJc4-2MtQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is relating to the discussion about... >> "I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear the other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words." I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that, if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words. So it might not be your radio at all. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200331/8a… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 19:55:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Hutchinson <rdhutch(a)pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words To: Post to Chirp Mailing List <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Message-ID: <775894566.1962839.1585684529781(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Another thought.? If this phenomenon of missing the first couple of words happens when communication with a paticular individual, then perhaps that individual is "Quick Keying", or not fully engaging the PTT on their radio before speaking.? If this seems to be the case, encourage them to consciously be sure they're pressing the PTT and pausing slightly before speaking.? This is often a problem with newer or inexperienced operators in the Ham world 73 de Ray, AE6H, WQXK637 On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, 12:33:37 PM PDT, Bill Card <willardscard(a)gmail.com> wrote: This is relating to the discussion about... >> "I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear the other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words." I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that, if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words. So it might not be your radio at all._______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Ray at rdhutch(a)pacbell.net To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200331/82… ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:34:47 -0500 From: Dennis Wage <dwage(a)dwage.com> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Message-ID: <CAE1d062UJSV7m6Nw1Um5S29K_Loz5MdeJVryfqaWjOXVsNZFLQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I don't even want to know, why you are trying to reinvent the wheel. Dennis M. Wage (W9BOQ) 245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://overdubs.net On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:23 AM NE1EE - Rich <NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email package > to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of Yaesu FT-7100 > Baofeng UV-5RA > showing the hijacked message > > My message appears in the same 5RA thread. > I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the > use of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail > package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some > usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the > subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content. > > So ... > You need to start a new message. > Mike, WB4TTZ > > is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a > pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. > Thanks Mike! > ~R~ > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Dennis Wage at dwage(a)dwage.com To > unsubscribe, send an email to > chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200331/f4… ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:18:27 -0500 From: W Paul Mills <ac0hy(a)wpmills.com> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: <5d544d7a-bafc-4d2d-ab92-51f6ec71d6b3(a)wpmills.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200331/ae… ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:16:03 -0500 From: David <weather(a)lightingunlimited.com> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: <8f4bd56b-06fa-e5df-8d86-c75b0491c896(a)lightingunlimited.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Ok another question, If I am responding to a post do I use "reply" or do I use "reply list"? I use Thunderbird for email. David On 3/31/2020 10:21 AM, NE1EE - Rich wrote: > David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email package > to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of Yaesu FT-7100 > Baofeng UV-5RA > showing the hijacked message > > My message appears in the same 5RA thread. > I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the use of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content. > > So ... > You need to start a new message. > Mike, WB4TTZ > > is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. Thanks Mike! > ~R~ > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Dave at weather(a)lightingunlimited.com To > unsubscribe, send an email to > chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:25:05 -0400 From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea(a)arrl.net> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Message-ID: <CADO5RbjFDY7THRdJ+yuKV-zE2xqTQhJxZ2d8ZNU9MKR+_ZSFFw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" David, Administrators can set the lists up so that replies go to the author, or to the list, or both, or "user decides" - moments ago I just set my googlegroups list to "user decides" because if I don't set it that way the author's email address is hidden - even from me - the list owner! Email lists are strange. Gmail doesn't send you back your own posts, which was the original setting "way" back in 1980s when everyone was on a 300 baud modem and phone lines. Conserve valuable bandwidth in those days. Now sending you your own message takes a few milliseconds. I still use mutt and thunderbird, both have "bounce" functions because sometimes my list subscribers think they have to send their emails to me for forwarding to the list. Bouncing an email makes it look like it was sent by the original sender to the final addressee - which in my case is always the email list, but it can be abused to fool people, Person A sends me and email, I bounce it to Person B and Person B thinks it was sent directly from Person A. You can see it came through me if you look at the headers. I did have my email list set up that way in 1994 when I started that list as a "one way" email list. Finally when google announced it was doing free lists, I jumped at the chance. I also printed newsletters using a Commodore 64 and GeoPublish - wow that's going back some. 73 DR N1EA On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:16 PM David <weather(a)lightingunlimited.com> wrote: > Ok another question, > > If I am responding to a post do I use "reply" or do I use "reply list"? > I use Thunderbird for email. > > David > > On 3/31/2020 10:21 AM, NE1EE - Rich wrote: > > David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email > > package > to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of > > Yaesu FT-7100 > > Baofeng UV-5RA > > showing the hijacked message > > > > My message appears in the same 5RA thread. > > I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the > > use > of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail > package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some > usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the > subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content. > > > > So ... > > You need to start a new message. > > Mike, WB4TTZ > > > > is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a > pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. > Thanks Mike! > > ~R~ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > chirp_users mailing list > > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > > This message was sent to Dave at weather(a)lightingunlimited.com To > > unsubscribe, send an email to > chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to D.J.J. Ring, Jr. at n1ea(a)arrl.net To > unsubscribe, send an email to > chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200331/ba… ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 13:17:47 -0400 From: NE1EE - Rich <NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> Subject: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette To: chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: <DM5PR0701MB38138C9C831C5B464F5BF75CF5C90(a)DM5PR0701MB3813.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, I often see breaches of etiquette. The most serious of these is hijacked threads. I find it nearly impossible sometimes to find what I am looking for, because a thread with subject A will really be about subject B. So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations? ~R~ 73 de Rich NE1EE On the banks of the Piscataqua ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:25:11 -0500 From: Richard Shaw <hobbes1069(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Message-ID: <CAN3TeO0PvgqaMjJMhyX7y3XzmeLde5aD=7ZA6Es=gU3Un_QnSA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:50 AM NE1EE - Rich <NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with > explanations? > A gentile but direct reminder is more effective I think, but it wouldn't hurt to reference the full list once a breach is noted (for everyone). This list seems pretty complete: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette Thanks, Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200401/33… ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 10:44:29 -0400 From: NE1EE - Rich <NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com> Message-ID: <DM5PR0701MB3813EB70EB65B674221BEC02F5C90(a)DM5PR0701MB3813.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Gosh! Thanks for being kind about that! I think that I am too outspoken, and I actually meant to delete the email. I was momentarily stunned when I saw a post with exactly the same subject! Yes...I like what you have recommended. I used to have a link to something similar, but then the web page went away. Saay...what's up here? I feel cheated <grin> Instructions For Specific Clients No Eudora! Again, thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated, and I have bookmarked it. ~Rich~ On 2020-04-01 09:25:-0500, you wrote: >On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:50 AM NE1EE - Rich <<mailto:NE1EE@hotmail.com>NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations? > >A gentile but direct reminder is more effective I think, but it wouldn't hurt to reference the full list once a breach is noted (for everyone). > >This list seems pretty complete: > ><https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette>https://wiki.open >stack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette > >Thanks, >Richard ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users(a)intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe(a)intrepid.danplanet.com End of chirp_users Digest, Vol 136, Issue 1 *******************************************

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Re: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette
by NE1EE - Rich 01 Apr '20

01 Apr '20

Gosh! Thanks for being kind about that! I think that I am too outspoken, and I actually meant to delete the email. I was momentarily stunned when I saw a post with exactly the same subject! Yes...I like what you have recommended. I used to have a link to something similar, but then the web page went away. Saay...what's up here? I feel cheated <grin> Instructions For Specific Clients No Eudora! Again, thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated, and I have bookmarked it. ~Rich~ On 2020-04-01 09:25:-0500, you wrote: >On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:50 AM NE1EE - Rich <<mailto:NE1EE@hotmail.com>NE1EE(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations? > >A gentile but direct reminder is more effective I think, but it wouldn't hurt to reference the full list once a breach is noted (for everyone). > >This list seems pretty complete: > ><https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette>https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette > >Thanks, >Richard

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[chirp_users] email / forum etiquette
by NE1EE - Rich 01 Apr '20

01 Apr '20

Well, I often see breaches of etiquette. The most serious of these is hijacked threads. I find it nearly impossible sometimes to find what I am looking for, because a thread with subject A will really be about subject B. So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations? ~R~ 73 de Rich NE1EE On the banks of the Piscataqua

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Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new
by NE1EE - Rich 31 Mar '20

31 Mar '20

David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email package to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of Yaesu FT-7100 Baofeng UV-5RA showing the hijacked message My message appears in the same 5RA thread. I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the use of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content. So ... You need to start a new message. Mike, WB4TTZ is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. Thanks Mike! ~R~

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