[chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Greetings,
A new build of CHIRP-next is available. This includes changes made directly to the tree since yesterday and may include additional features, bug fixes, etc. As a reminder, this is different from the "daily" CHIRP builds in that new development and features are happening here. It is the latest and greatest, but also may be less stable than the "daily" builds at this time. If it works for you, we recommend using CHIRP-next, but if your radio is not yet working on it, then you may prefer to use the "daily" builds for the time being.
You can get it from here:
http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_next/
A list of changes since the last build are here:
Changes for Build #23 [3046399+kk7ds] Fix ft857/897 get_memory() of special channels
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote: > On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote: >> http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_next/ > Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order... > > ~R~ > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE > The Dusty Key > On the banks of the Piscataqua > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Dean Berglund at deanberg2044@gmail.com > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com > To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com > Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com> _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Tony Ling at tonyg7txu@gmail.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com
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Dean, can I suggest you try running Ubuntu within Win 7 under Oracle VirtualBox. Both are free to download and use.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 15:14, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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Does it not work if you set the compatibility to windows 7? Right click the program, select properties, compatibility and set run in compatibility with.......
Not sure that would work but just a thought.
Marc KQ4ENX
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 10:57 AM Tony Ling tonyg7txu@gmail.com wrote:
Dean, can I suggest you try running Ubuntu within Win 7 under Oracle VirtualBox. Both are free to download and use.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 15:14, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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Ah that makes sense.
Thanks for the clarification.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 11:29 AM Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
The issue is that the software relies on calls/libraries not present in Win10. The compatibility settings you refer to are to allow older software to run on newer OS, the original complaint is that new software doesn't run on older OS, the opposite situation to what the compatibility setting address.
Ken
On Jan 2, 2023, at 10:11, Marc marcptramontana@gmail.com wrote:
Does it not work if you set the compatibility to windows 7? Right click the program, select properties, compatibility and set run in compatibility with.......
Not sure that would work but just a thought.
Marc KQ4ENX
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 10:57 AM Tony Ling tonyg7txu@gmail.com wrote:
Dean, can I suggest you try running Ubuntu within Win 7 under Oracle VirtualBox. Both are free to download and use.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 15:14, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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Good morning,
I've been playing around with the new Chirp. I like that the import from RepeaterBook includes an option for coordinates, but I wish the previous import options were kept. When I'm preparing for a trip, I'm more likely to know the county or zip code of my destination than I am the coordinates. Yes, I can get the coordinates, but it's more cumbersome (YMMV). However, if I need to make changes once I'm at my destination, finding coordinates is much easier, but then I can just use the RepeaterBook app instead.
Just my 1¢...
73 de N0XVZ, Steve
I've been playing around with the new Chirp. I like that the import from RepeaterBook includes an option for coordinates, but I wish the previous import options were kept. When I'm preparing for a trip, I'm more likely to know the county or zip code of my destination than I am the coordinates. Yes, I can get the coordinates, but it's more cumbersome (YMMV). However, if I need to make changes once I'm at my destination, finding coordinates is much easier, but then I can just use the RepeaterBook app instead.
Okay, I generally find it harder to figure out the county of a remote location, as I usually have to find a town's web page or something, which sometimes links to their county site. Or find a county map and guess where I'm going. Going to google maps, clicking on a place and grabbing the coordinates is easier (for me). Also, sorting by coordinates means I have a much better idea how far repeaters are from where I'm going to be, since I won't know any of the local names. I actually rarely used the chirp query for travel for this reason, but find the new one a lot more helpful.
Searching by zip code is only supported (currently, could change) in the special repeaterbook chirp interface, but we don't get the richer data from their API that way. The new interface lets us show nearby landmarks, towns, *and* the coordinates of the repeater so we can sort by distance. Geocoding coordinates from zipcode actually costs money (the USPS charges *annually* for access to that information, if you can believe it).
That said, please open a Feature Request for this and include the above justification and I'll see what I can do.
--Dan
I am the same way, I can get lat/longs faster than I can figure out the county or zip of the locations I am going to. I know where I am going, I can get that lat/long usually faster than the county location, and out in the west many counties are larger than some states so that is a lot of terrain to cover.
Lat/longs are the way to go in my view.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 10:33 AM Dan Smith via chirp_users < chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> wrote:
I've been playing around with the new Chirp. I like that the import from RepeaterBook includes an option for coordinates, but I wish the previous import options were kept. When I'm preparing for a trip, I'm more likely to know the county or zip code of my destination than I am the coordinates. Yes, I can get the coordinates, but it's more cumbersome (YMMV). However, if I need to make changes once I'm at my destination, finding coordinates is much easier, but then I can just use the RepeaterBook app instead.
Okay, I generally find it harder to figure out the county of a remote location, as I usually have to find a town's web page or something, which sometimes links to their county site. Or find a county map and guess where I'm going. Going to google maps, clicking on a place and grabbing the coordinates is easier (for me). Also, sorting by coordinates means I have a much better idea how far repeaters are from where I'm going to be, since I won't know any of the local names. I actually rarely used the chirp query for travel for this reason, but find the new one a lot more helpful.
Searching by zip code is only supported (currently, could change) in the special repeaterbook chirp interface, but we don't get the richer data from their API that way. The new interface lets us show nearby landmarks, towns, *and* the coordinates of the repeater so we can sort by distance. Geocoding coordinates from zipcode actually costs money (the USPS charges *annually* for access to that information, if you can believe it).
That said, please open a Feature Request for this and include the above justification and I'll see what I can do.
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Dan
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this!
I'm willing to give the new way a try. It sounds like figuring out the coordinates for me is a "hassle" just like figuring out a county is for you. Not a slam...just making a comparison. I'm a map guy at heart, so I understand your logic behind the coordinate search. I'm sure I'll get use to it over time.
Yeah, I'm not surprised the PO charges for "public" data. I can see why the zip code import was dropped.
Thanks again!
73 de N0XVZ, Steve
On 1/2/2023 10:28 AM, Dan Smith via chirp_users wrote:
I've been playing around with the new Chirp. I like that the import from RepeaterBook includes an option for coordinates, but I wish the previous import options were kept. When I'm preparing for a trip, I'm more likely to know the county or zip code of my destination than I am the coordinates. Yes, I can get the coordinates, but it's more cumbersome (YMMV). However, if I need to make changes once I'm at my destination, finding coordinates is much easier, but then I can just use the RepeaterBook app instead.
Okay, I generally find it harder to figure out the county of a remote location, as I usually have to find a town's web page or something, which sometimes links to their county site. Or find a county map and guess where I'm going. Going to google maps, clicking on a place and grabbing the coordinates is easier (for me). Also, sorting by coordinates means I have a much better idea how far repeaters are from where I'm going to be, since I won't know any of the local names. I actually rarely used the chirp query for travel for this reason, but find the new one a lot more helpful.
Searching by zip code is only supported (currently, could change) in the special repeaterbook chirp interface, but we don't get the richer data from their API that way. The new interface lets us show nearby landmarks, towns, *and* the coordinates of the repeater so we can sort by distance. Geocoding coordinates from zipcode actually costs money (the USPS charges *annually* for access to that information, if you can believe it).
That said, please open a Feature Request for this and include the above justification and I'll see what I can do.
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Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this!
And thank you for the feedback :)
I'm willing to give the new way a try. It sounds like figuring out the coordinates for me is a "hassle" just like figuring out a county is for you. Not a slam...just making a comparison.
Absolutely understand. Getting lat/longs used to be quite laborious for sure. Nowadays there is one tool that can tell you anywhere on the planet. I guess technically the same tool (google) can tell you the county, but not in the same consistent workflow, depending on where it is. Of course, being able to query based on any field would be ideal, but repeaterbook supports countries all over the world with different municipal divisions, post codes, etc and I want to extend that search to allow more than just north america at some point. Every bit of UI work to allow searching and filtering is more complexity, so I just want to try to be judicious about it.
I'm a map guy at heart, so I understand your logic behind the coordinate search. I'm sure I'll get use to it over time.
Thanks, I surely won't rule out further support in the future. At the moment, I probably need to prioritize drivers that aren't converted yet, but I'm open to a feature request for other stuff, especially with good explanations of why it's worth a change.
Yeah, I'm not surprised the PO charges for "public" data. I can see why the zip code import was dropped.
Yeah, the zip code stuff was done on the repeaterbook side for us, but it's not free and thus wasn't in the general query bit for that reason. It's too bad our own data isn't available to us, but alas :/
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Incredibly well said.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 10:28 AM Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
Dean,
Your Win7 license/COA allows you to upgrade your Win7 machine to Win10 for free. If your machine is incapable of running Win10, it is likely quite old and a hardware upgrade may be in order.
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Ken, Thank you for your response. Very nicely suggested. I will look into getting another machine or as some others have suggested, to install Linux or Ubuntu in a VM. I have to say you, and most people have given good and friendly advice and I thank all of you for this. Although I don't use Chirp often, it has been a nice program to go to when i needed it and when helping others get their HTs programmed. 73, Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 10:21 AM, Ken Hansen wrote:
Dean,
Your Win7 license/COA allows you to upgrade your Win7 machine to Win10 for free. If your machine is incapable of running Win10, it is likely quite old and a hardware upgrade may be in order.
Windows 7 was released Oct. 2009, and was EOL on Jan 2020. Win 10 was released in July of 2015 and will go EOL Oct 2025. If your computer shipped with Win7, it is easily 7 years old, and lacking on-going support/security patches, is a security problem waiting to happen.
You can certainly choose to continue running Win 7 if you like, but if that machine is connected to the internet, the security risks are high, and the number of programs that have compatibility issues will only increase over time.
If you choose not to upgrade your current system, it is your choice to remain in an environment that is unsupported by CHIRP for reasons that are based on technical realities, not the capricious whim of the developers that can be influenced by the dangling of withheld donations.
The Windows 10 upgrade can be done in-place, assuming your Win7 machine has sufficient free space on the hard drive. You may want to swap a solid state drive (SSD) for your current spinning hard drive (HDD) - Win10 has been known to set the machine to "thrashing" when running off a HDD, but not when run off an SSD, and an SSD will make your old Win7 system more responsive no matter which version of Windows you run.
I'm happy to help if want some pointers on upgrading your Win7 system to Win10 - my suggestion would be to get an SSD, transfer your Win7 HDD contents to the SSD, remove the Win7 HDD as a backup, then, once you are ready to upgrade, ask windows for an upgrade (several methods possible) and see how it goes - you can always fall back to your Win7 HDD.
There are numerous free programs to transfer your Win7 system HD contents to a new drive, I quite like the free version of Macrium:
Reflect Free Edition https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo macrium.com https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo favicon[1].ico https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo
https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo
I hope this is helpful,
Good luck, take care,
Ken
On Jan 2, 2023, at 09:14, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote: > On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote: >> http://trac.chirp.danplanet.com/chirp_next/ > Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order... > > ~R~ > 72/73 de Rich NE1EE > The Dusty Key > On the banks of the Piscataqua > > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to Dean Berglund at deanberg2044@gmail.com > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com > To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com > Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com> _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Tony Ling at tonyg7txu@gmail.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com
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I can also recommend the Raspberry Pi (when shortages abate) as a dedicated shack PC. HamPi https://sourceforge.net/projects/hampi/ release an SD image which has just about every conceivable Ubuntu amateur application bundled, including of course CHIRP.
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 at 16:41, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Ken, Thank you for your response. Very nicely suggested. I will look into getting another machine or as some others have suggested, to install Linux or Ubuntu in a VM. I have to say you, and most people have given good and friendly advice and I thank all of you for this. Although I don't use Chirp often, it has been a nice program to go to when i needed it and when helping others get their HTs programmed. 73, Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 10:21 AM, Ken Hansen wrote:
Dean,
Your Win7 license/COA allows you to upgrade your Win7 machine to Win10 for free. If your machine is incapable of running Win10, it is likely quite old and a hardware upgrade may be in order.
Windows 7 was released Oct. 2009, and was EOL on Jan 2020. Win 10 was released in July of 2015 and will go EOL Oct 2025. If your computer shipped with Win7, it is easily 7 years old, and lacking on-going support/security patches, is a security problem waiting to happen.
You can certainly choose to continue running Win 7 if you like, but if that machine is connected to the internet, the security risks are high, and the number of programs that have compatibility issues will only increase over time.
If you choose not to upgrade your current system, it is your choice to remain in an environment that is unsupported by CHIRP for reasons that are based on technical realities, not the capricious whim of the developers that can be influenced by the dangling of withheld donations.
The Windows 10 upgrade can be done in-place, assuming your Win7 machine has sufficient free space on the hard drive. You may want to swap a solid state drive (SSD) for your current spinning hard drive (HDD) - Win10 has been known to set the machine to "thrashing" when running off a HDD, but not when run off an SSD, and an SSD will make your old Win7 system more responsive no matter which version of Windows you run.
I'm happy to help if want some pointers on upgrading your Win7 system to Win10 - my suggestion would be to get an SSD, transfer your Win7 HDD contents to the SSD, remove the Win7 HDD as a backup, then, once you are ready to upgrade, ask windows for an upgrade (several methods possible) and see how it goes - you can always fall back to your Win7 HDD.
There are numerous free programs to transfer your Win7 system HD contents to a new drive, I quite like the free version of Macrium:
Reflect Free Edition https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo macrium.com https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo [image: favicon[1].ico] https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree?mo
I hope this is helpful,
Good luck, take care,
Ken
On Jan 2, 2023, at 09:14, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
On 1/2/2023 6:25 AM, Rich NE1EE wrote:
On 2023-01-02 02:09:-0800, you wrote:
Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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What you can do is to install VmWare, and download windows 10, and authorize windows 10 with your windows 7 key, and when you want to launch Chirp, first launch windows 10 in a Hypervisor like VmWare, and install Chirp there. I prefer 7 too, so I did the opposite, installed 10 as the host, then put 7 in VmWare as the guest OS, and use 7 for just about everything, and if I have to use 10, I toggle out of 7 and use 10. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Berglund To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
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Isn't hyper-V just give a Linux CLI? I am guessing most folks prefer Chirp in a GUI environment. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Or you can take the opportunity to just run Linux in the VM - by the way Windows 10 and Windows 7 include Hyper-V, as an alternative to running VMware.
As always, there are many ways to do almost anything with computers.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 2, 2023, at 11:44 AM, K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What you can do is to install VmWare, and download windows 10, and authorize windows 10 with your windows 7 key, and when you want to launch Chirp, first launch windows 10 in a Hypervisor like VmWare, and install Chirp there. I prefer 7 too, so I did the opposite, installed 10 as the host, then put 7 in VmWare as the guest OS, and use 7 for just about everything, and if I have to use 10, I toggle out of 7 and use 10. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Berglund To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
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Right. You’ll have to continue to use the old version of chirp (which likely works with your existing radios), and you can continue to use it on your old computer. Nothing will change for you (just make sure to keep a copy of the old chirp installer around).
Shiny nice new software wants to run on nice shiny new hardware and operating systems that are being actively supported by their manufacturers. The old chirp will be as frozen in time as your old computer is now. If you choose to get a new radio that isn’t supported in the old chirp then maybe consider getting a new computer first.
What, actually, is the problem?
* Henry N6HCM
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com On Behalf Of Dean Berglund Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 10:14 To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp.
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: henry@n6hcm.com To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Right. You’ll have to continue to use the old version of chirp (which likely works with your existing radios), and you can continue to use it on your old computer. Nothing will change for you (just make sure to keep a copy of the old chirp installer around).
Shiny nice new software wants to run on nice shiny new hardware and operating systems that are being actively supported by their manufacturers. The old chirp will be as frozen in time as your old computer is now. If you choose to get a new radio that isn’t supported in the old chirp then maybe consider getting a new computer first.
What, actually, is the problem?
a.. Henry N6HCM
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com On Behalf Of Dean Berglund Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 10:14 To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp.
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I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
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Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: [Scott Lopez](mailto:scottjl@gmail.com) To: [Discussion of CHIRP](mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com) Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi, Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM. Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it. So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already installed. And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Novak-Zarate To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi Glenn,
Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without flatpack .
Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing it
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi, Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM. Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it. So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already installed. And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Matt Novak-Zarate matt@novakzarate.com *To:* chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi David, There is only one screenreader for the GUI in Linux, that is orca. So you can try running just orca and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent of: sudo apt install orca for your flavor of Linux. Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it won't be a test of accessibility.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without flatpack .
Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing it
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi, Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM. Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it. So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already installed. And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Novak-Zarate To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Glenn,
I use MATE and ORCA.
Do you know if the new CHIRP will be accessible in any other operating system?
Thanks,
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 23:52 K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, There is only one screenreader for the GUI in Linux, that is orca. So you can try running just orca and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent of: sudo apt install orca for your flavor of Linux. Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it won't be a test of accessibility.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without flatpack .
Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing it
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi, Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM. Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it. So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already installed. And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Matt Novak-Zarate matt@novakzarate.com *To:* chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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I haven't tried it in windows 10, because I only have NVDA for a screenreader there. I do have Jaws for 40 minutes in demo mode, after a reboot, but I haven't yet installed Chirp in 10, although I just downloaded it. I don't know how to get NVDA to read and route cursors like I can with Jaws, so I don't know if even, old Chirp can work in any windows using NVDA, because I've not ever been able to use Chirp with NVDA. With Jaws, it requires some experience with using Chirp, which I've done in old Ubuntu, and with Jaws, I do like alt R, and D for download, and then route Jaws cursor to PC, and find the port with the Jaws cursor, and route PC to Jaws, and then repeat all that for radio, make, and then model, and then the okay button, and the message about experimental driver if I hadn't done the particular radio before. Same process with importing and exporting. There's lots of steps when the screen is not echoed to the location of the cursor. I'm just not proficient with NVDA enough to do that sort of thing, NVDA isn't intuitive to use like Jaws is in my opinion. But I'm hoping soon to reboot my system soon to have 40 minutes of Jaws to give the new Chirp a go. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Glenn,
I use MATE and ORCA.
Do you know if the new CHIRP will be accessible in any other operating system?
Thanks,
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 23:52 K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, There is only one screenreader for the GUI in Linux, that is orca. So you can try running just orca and if it isn't there, you can do the equivalent of: sudo apt install orca for your flavor of Linux. Make sure you don't use the mouse, otherwise it won't be a test of accessibility.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
Have you tried running chirp-next on Ubuntu? Or tried running it straight from the git repo? I don't use a screen reader, but I was able to run chirp directly from the latest branch in the git repo just fine, and without flatpack .
Which screen reader do you use on TV Ubuntu? I could try testing it
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:50 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi, Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM, because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the VM. Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it. So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already installed. And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in windows. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Novak-Zarate To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 10:07 PM Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
What was the original issue that took us down this particular rabbit hole? That going forward development of a Win7 compatible CHIRP would cease, preventing Win7 users from running the latest/greatest release of CHIRP.
The updated python libraries needed for CHIRP no longer work on Win7 and will not be updated for Win7 as Win7 is no longer a supported operating system by Microsoft. CHIRP development has moved on to the updated libraries, and therefore has dropped support for Win7. Some people are upset that NEXT won't run on an older operating system, although nothing is stopping them from using the last supported CHIRP version indefinitely on Win7, they just won't receive support or newer features.
Time moves on and so does computer support. I can't complain CHIRP doesn't run on XP either..
Matt, I fully agree with you. Although I am not sure about the linux install thing. I use Ubuntu Mate, takes about 10 minutes to install and be ready. That is it. last windows install I did took hours, it was a nightmare to me. Kept on having to be rebooted to load this or that, by the time it was done I had wasted a good part of a day.
I run VM's for things that absolutely need Windows as I do not trust it on bare metal. At least the host OS gives me tight control over the Microsoft Trojan.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:19 PM Matt Novak-Zarate matt@novakzarate.com wrote:
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM, they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge. Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure, too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it. Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Matt
Sent from Proton Mail mobile -------- Original Message -------- On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Is CHIRP-NEXT going to be accessible only in Linux or have things improved in python that it will now be accessible in Windows, MAC, and Linux as well?
Does anyone know?
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility,
or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it.
I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a
drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it.
Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on
it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
I run on a Win10 PC with absolutely no issues. John
On Jan 2, 2023, at 10:36 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. n1ea@arrl.net wrote:
Is CHIRP-NEXT going to be accessible only in Linux or have things improved in python that it will now be accessible in Windows, MAC, and Linux as well?
Does anyone know?
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
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John,
I was asking about accessibility for blind users using a screen reader. Are you saying that your Windows 10 runs CHIRP and your screen reader works with it?
If so what screen reader?
73 David
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 23:40 John LaMartina JohnLa@usa.net wrote:
I run on a Win10 PC with absolutely no issues. John
On Jan 2, 2023, at 10:36 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. n1ea@arrl.net wrote:
Is CHIRP-NEXT going to be accessible only in Linux or have things
improved in python that it will now be accessible in Windows, MAC, and Linux as well?
Does anyone know?
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for
accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it.
I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a
drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it.
Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems
on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
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loaded just fine on my win 11 system (but I didn't give it a heavy evaluation).
- Henry N6HCM
On January 2, 2023 22:37:10 "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." n1ea@arrl.net wrote:
Is CHIRP-NEXT going to be accessible only in Linux or have things improved in python that it will now be accessible in Windows, MAC, and Linux as well?
Does anyone know?
David N1EA
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 9:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
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Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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What I'm just asking is: "Is 'CHIRP-NEXT' accessible with a screen reader?, If so which operating systems?"
Current old CHIRP is accessible in Linux with the standard ORCA screen reader under MATE Desktop Environment.
Will the change to python 3 change accessibility in Linux or other operating systems?
Kind regards,
David N1EA
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 11:59 Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
You're discussing what some would call an edge case, hams that want to run CHIRP and have vision issues.
For example, it's no clear Ubuntu would allow distributing an "Ubuntu + CHIRP + Screenreader" image, based on this restriction:
- You can redistribute Ubuntu, but only where there has been no
modification to it.
Source: https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
But there are other distributions that likely would allow it.
I believe CHIRP-NEXT is intended to be easier to install/configure, if it is not already, and if that's the case, we're back to a single-command install of CHIRP, but configuration of a screenreader woukd still be an exercise for the user.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 09:56, K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
7. Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
10. Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Just FYI, on Linux Mint 20.3 Cinnamon, I found it faster to install wxPython from the wheel on the wxPython website than to let it be installed via requirements.txt. That also obviates the need for wxgtk4 package installation. Wheels are available for a number of Linux versions here:
https://extras.wxpython.org/wxPython4/extras/linux/gtk3/
Martin. KD6YAM
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:30 AM David Boucha boucha@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Thanks David, I'll give it a go later, after I get the snow scooped. I just noticed we got enough last night that I need to tend to that first. I'll let folks know how it works for me with Orca. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi David, Well I installed python, and it says it's 3.9.2 I've tried pip --version and pip3 --version and I get an error. I tried it both with python3 running and without. I'll get the zip, but I will need pip first I'm sure. Is that something to also be installed? Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Yeah, try running "sudo apt install python3-pip"
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 8:30 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Well I installed python, and it says it's 3.9.2 I've tried pip --version and pip3 --version and I get an error. I tried it both with python3 running and without. I'll get the zip, but I will need pip first I'm sure. Is that something to also be installed? Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Hi Glenn, try sudo apt-get install python3-pip. That got it installed on my machine.
Guy Ke8JYP
On 1/3/23 22:32, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
Hi David, Well I installed python, and it says it's 3.9.2 I've tried pip --version and pip3 --version and I get an error. I tried it both with python3 running and without. I'll get the zip, but I will need pip first I'm sure. Is that something to also be installed? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha mailto:boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
- Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
- Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
- Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
- Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha <mailto:boucha@gmail.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build Hey Glenn, I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine. Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository. Best, Dave On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen <mailto:ken@n2vip.org> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it? CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes. Ken, N2VIPOn Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez <scottjl@gmail.com> wrote: Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution: https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'. On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez <mailto:scottjl@gmail.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up. On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. 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Hi David, I installed pip, and unzipped Chirp. I didn't really find install steps in the readme.md file. I tried python3 setup.py and got errors, and it did not install. Your steps stop at go into the new Chirp directory. Thanks for any assistance. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Okay, I read the file called install So I ran sudo python3 setup.py --record install files.txt Or something like that, and it looked okay, now I'll test it out. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: K0LNY_Glenn To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi David, I installed pip, and unzipped Chirp. I didn't really find install steps in the readme.md file. I tried python3 setup.py and got errors, and it did not install. Your steps stop at go into the new Chirp directory. Thanks for any assistance. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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The INSTALL file hasn't been updated for several years, so it's very much out of date, and not applicable to chirp-next. David Boucha's suggestions are much more likely to lead to success.
Martin. KD6YAM
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 9:11 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Okay, I read the file called install So I ran sudo python3 setup.py --record install files.txt Or something like that, and it looked okay, now I'll test it out. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:33 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi David, I installed pip, and unzipped Chirp. I didn't really find install steps in the readme.md file. I tried python3 setup.py and got errors, and it did not install. Your steps stop at go into the new Chirp directory. Thanks for any assistance. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 1:10 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
- Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
- Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
- Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
- Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha <mailto:boucha@gmail.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build Hey Glenn, I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine. Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository. Best, Dave On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen <mailto:ken@n2vip.org> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it? CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes. Ken, N2VIPOn Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez <scottjl@gmail.com> wrote: Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution: https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'. On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez <mailto:scottjl@gmail.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up. On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. 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Were you able to read the menus, like the radio menu? That is alt R. I could not get it to run. The install file read to type ./chirpw It cannot find that file. I considered the file you ran, but haven't tried it yet. I was hoping that installing it would have put something in the accessories or other menu. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Schlosser To: Discussion of CHIRP ; David Boucha Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Glenn,
Locate the file first.
As root in a terminal:
updatedb
Then let it update the file location database.
Then try the command:
locate chirpw
Change to the folder where chirpw is found and issue the command'
./chirpw
You need the ./ to tell your system that the command is to be found in the current folder not necessarily in the path.
Chirp should attempt to run.
David
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 00:40 K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Were you able to read the menus, like they radio menu? That is alt R. I could not get it to run. The install file read to type ./chirpw It cannot find that file. I considered the file you ran, but haven't tried it yet. I was hoping that installing it would have put something in the accessories or other menu. Glenn
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Schlosser To: Discussion of CHIRP ; David Boucha Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Guy Schlosser mailto:guyster@bex.net *To:* Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com ; David Boucha mailto:boucha@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
- Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
- Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
- Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
- Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha <mailto:boucha@gmail.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build Hey Glenn, I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine. Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository. Best, Dave On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen <mailto:ken@n2vip.org> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it? CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes. Ken, N2VIPOn Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez <scottjl@gmail.com> wrote: Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution: https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'. On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez <mailto:scottjl@gmail.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up. On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn <glenn@ervin.email> wrote: What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. 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Testing here on a Fedora 37 VM with a Yaesu FT-60R. So far, so good.
To get it up and running, I had to do the following.
Downloaded source package and unpacked Ran 'sudo python setup.py install' in the chirp directory. Ran 'sudo dnf install python3-wxpython4'
I have run the application and downloaded from the radio successfully.
73, N0EYE, Matt
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 1:51 AM W Paul Mills ac0hy@wpmills.com wrote:
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Guy Schlosser guyster@bex.net *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com ; David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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Why do all you linux people run sudo ops, wouldn't it be better to just run the real thing??
(( I really know what it stands for but this thread is long enough now to handle one wise comment, no? ))
------ Original Message ------
From "Matt Foster" wedgef5@gmail.com
To "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Date Wed 1 4 23 08:49:31 Subject Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Testing here on a Fedora 37 VM with a Yaesu FT-60R. So far, so good.
To get it up and running, I had to do the following.
Downloaded source package and unpacked Ran 'sudo python setup.py install' in the chirp directory. Ran 'sudo dnf install python3-wxpython4'
I have run the application and downloaded from the radio successfully.
73, N0EYE, Matt
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 1:51 AM W Paul Mills ac0hy@wpmills.com wrote:
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From:Guy Schlosser mailto:guyster@bex.net To:Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com ; David Boucha mailto:boucha@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
- Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
- Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
- Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
- Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email mailto:glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From:David Boucha mailto:boucha@gmail.com To:Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email mailto:glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From:Ken Hansen mailto:ken@n2vip.org To:Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
>On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez < scottjl@gmail.com> wrote: > > >Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning >redistribution: > >https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy > >Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM >image of it can be considered 'modification'. > >On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email >mailto:glenn@ervin.email wrote: >>Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for >>accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing >>wrong with it. >>I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can >>find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who >>wants it. >>Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating >>systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to >>find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp. >> >>Glenn >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From:Scott Lopez mailto:scottjl@gmail.com >>To:Discussion of CHIRP >>mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM >>Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build >> >>I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting >>up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now >>outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't >>want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best >>solution is to keep up. >> >>On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> >>wrote: >>>What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old >>>Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. >>>I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp >>>on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. >>>Glenn >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>_______________________________________________ >>chirp_users mailing list >>chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>This message was sent to K0LNY at glenn@ervin.email >>To unsubscribe, send an email to >>chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com >>To report this email as off-topic, please email >>chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com >>Searchable archive: >>https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >>_______________________________________________ >>chirp_users mailing list >>chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >>http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >>This message was sent to scottjl@gmail.com at scottjl@gmail.com >>To unsubscribe, send an email to >>chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com >>To report this email as off-topic, please email >>chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com >>Searchable archive: >>https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >_______________________________________________ >chirp_users mailing list >chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users >This message was sent to Ken Hansen at ken@n2vip.org >To unsubscribe, send an email to >chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com >To report this email as off-topic, please email >chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com >Searchable archive:
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:25 PM Al Jones al@aljones.us wrote:
Why do all you linux people run sudo ops, wouldn't it be better to just run the real thing??
(( I really know what it stands for but this thread is long enough now to handle one wise comment, no? ))
"sudo" is useful for blind people and forgetful people to avoid the terminal being in "root" mode. All sorts of damage or at least unexpected things can happen when commands are given in a root terminal and "sudo" minimizes this danger.
I don't always check to see if my terminal has # or $ at the start indicating if it is a USER terminal or an ADMINISTRATOR terminal (root).
I've been lazy in the past, and didn't use "sudo" thinking I was a "big boy" and wanted to wear "big boy pants" only to run commands under root that made my system unusable.
73 DR
On 2023-01-04 at 16:40, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. (n1ea@arrl.net) wrote:
"sudo" is useful for blind people and forgetful people to avoid the terminal being in "root" mode. All sorts of damage or at least unexpected things can happen when commands are given in a root terminal and "sudo" minimizes this danger.
It also has the advantage of controlling who uses root.
Back in olden daze when AT&T controlled Unix much the annoyance of many to go to root, you entered su then the root password.
I've been lazy in the past, and didn't use "sudo" thinking I was a "big boy" and wanted to wear "big boy pants" only to run commands under root that made my system unusable.
There are two things you learn early. Are you root? and what system are you logged into?
So that you are not logged in as root and are doing root-level stuff explicitly. Just good security practices.
On 2023-01-04 07:31, Al Jones wrote:
Why do all you linux people run sudo ops, wouldn't it be better to just run the real thing??
(( I really know what it stands for but this thread is long enough now to handle one wise comment, no? ))
------ Original Message ------ From "Matt Foster" wedgef5@gmail.com To "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Date Wed 1 4 23 08:49:31 Subject Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Testing here on a Fedora 37 VM with a Yaesu FT-60R. So far, so good.
To get it up and running, I had to do the following.
Downloaded source package and unpacked Ran 'sudo python setup.py install' in the chirp directory. Ran 'sudo dnf install python3-wxpython4'
I have run the application and downloaded from the radio successfully.
73, N0EYE, Matt
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 1:51 AM W Paul Mills ac0hy@wpmills.com wrote:
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote: When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Schlosser To: Discussion of CHIRP ; David Boucha Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote: Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
- Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
- Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
- Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
- Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez < scottjl@gmail.com> wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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That took me a moment. Nice :-)
Denis, N2TI
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:27 AM Al Jones al@aljones.us wrote:
Why do all you linux people run sudo ops, wouldn't it be better to just run the real thing??
(( I really know what it stands for but this thread is long enough now to handle one wise comment, no? ))
------ Original Message ------ From "Matt Foster" wedgef5@gmail.com To "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Date Wed 1 4 23 08:49:31 Subject Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Testing here on a Fedora 37 VM with a Yaesu FT-60R. So far, so good.
To get it up and running, I had to do the following.
Downloaded source package and unpacked Ran 'sudo python setup.py install' in the chirp directory. Ran 'sudo dnf install python3-wxpython4'
I have run the application and downloaded from the radio successfully.
73, N0EYE, Matt
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 1:51 AM W Paul Mills ac0hy@wpmills.com wrote:
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Guy Schlosser guyster@bex.net *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com ; David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez < scottjl@gmail.com> wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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I'm honestly so grateful this might make it back into Gentoo's portage soon.
If I get some free time (not likely) I'll try to get a ball rolling on a new ebuild.
Also....
For some reason I never sudo...
I 'su' then 'exit'.
Because, what if I need to run a 2nd command... Or 3rd? Or what if I need to, 'rm - rf /' shoot did I just hit enter? Ctrl-C! Ctrl-C!
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 15:55 Denis Lynch DLynch@acm.org wrote:
That took me a moment. Nice :-)
Denis, N2TI
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:27 AM Al Jones al@aljones.us wrote:
Why do all you linux people run sudo ops, wouldn't it be better to just run the real thing??
(( I really know what it stands for but this thread is long enough now to handle one wise comment, no? ))
------ Original Message ------ From "Matt Foster" wedgef5@gmail.com To "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Date Wed 1 4 23 08:49:31 Subject Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Testing here on a Fedora 37 VM with a Yaesu FT-60R. So far, so good.
To get it up and running, I had to do the following.
Downloaded source package and unpacked Ran 'sudo python setup.py install' in the chirp directory. Ran 'sudo dnf install python3-wxpython4'
I have run the application and downloaded from the radio successfully.
73, N0EYE, Matt
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 1:51 AM W Paul Mills ac0hy@wpmills.com wrote:
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Guy Schlosser guyster@bex.net *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com ; David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed.
A. Type "python" in a command line terminal.
B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro
requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred
location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command:
A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory:
A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies:
A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp:
A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Boucha boucha@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez < scottjl@gmail.com> wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
> What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp > already installed, so that can be implemented. > I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on > it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. > Glenn
>
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On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 4:56 PM Matthew Poletiek matthew.poletiek@gmail.com wrote:
I'm honestly so grateful this might make it back into Gentoo's portage soon.
If I get some free time (not likely) I'll try to get a ball rolling on a new ebuild.
Also....
For some reason I never sudo...
I 'su' then 'exit'.
Because, what if I need to run a 2nd command... Or 3rd? Or what if I need to, 'rm - rf /' shoot did I just hit enter? Ctrl-C! Ctrl-C!
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023, 15:55 Denis Lynch DLynch@acm.org wrote:
That took me a moment. Nice :-)
Denis, N2TI
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:27 AM Al Jones al@aljones.us wrote:
Why do all you linux people run sudo ops, wouldn't it be better to just run the real thing??
(( I really know what it stands for but this thread is long enough now to handle one wise comment, no? ))
------ Original Message ------ From "Matt Foster" wedgef5@gmail.com To "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Date Wed 1 4 23 08:49:31 Subject Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Testing here on a Fedora 37 VM with a Yaesu FT-60R. So far, so good.
To get it up and running, I had to do the following.
Downloaded source package and unpacked Ran 'sudo python setup.py install' in the chirp directory. Ran 'sudo dnf install python3-wxpython4'
I have run the application and downloaded from the radio successfully.
73, N0EYE, Matt
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 1:51 AM W Paul Mills ac0hy@wpmills.com wrote:
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Schlosser To: Discussion of CHIRP ; David Boucha Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python"
run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp
Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown.
Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location.
My file saved as "chirp-master.zip"
Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip"
Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master"
Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt
Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install"
Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez < scottjl@gmail.com> wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote: > > Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. > I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. > Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Lopez > To: Discussion of CHIRP > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build > > I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up. > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn < glenn@ervin.email> wrote: >> >> What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. >> I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. >> Glenn > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to K0LNY at glenn@ervin.email > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com > To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com > Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > _______________________________________________ > chirp_users mailing list > chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users > This message was sent to scottjl@gmail.com at scottjl@gmail.com > To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com > To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com > Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com
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I'll have to look around, in the chirp-master folder, there is no chirpw file. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: W Paul Mills To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2023 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
When I installed chirp-next, it showed up as 'chirp' not 'chirpw' and was located at '/usr/local/bin/chirp'
On 1/4/23 00:18, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
When I run that command, I get errors, no Chirp. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Schlosser To: Discussion of CHIRP ; David Boucha Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Even though I didn't get chirp running from the command line, I was able to run it with python3 chirpwx.py while in the source folder. Here's what I found:
Orca is reading menus, and will allow you to open and save files
After opening a known good radio image, Orca announced to me that the memories page had focus, but I was still unable to arrow around and read the various memory values. I was able to export the image to a .csv file, so a good image it definitely was.
That's all I have from the short tinkering I did. Good luck team in 2023.
Thanks,
Guy On 1/3/23 14:31, David Boucha wrote:
Hi Glenn,
These are the steps I took to install Chirp manually on Ubuntu 22.04
Steps to install Chirp manually on Linux.
1. Make sure you have at least Python 3.7 installed. A. Type "python" in a command line terminal. B. Some Linux distros require using "python3". If your distro requires this, please type "python3" anywhere in this document that you see "python" 2. run "pip --version" to see what python version pip is. You may need to run "pip3" if your distro requires you also use "python3".
3. Open a browser and navigate to https://github.com/kk7ds/chirp 4. Click on the green "<> Code" button dropdown. 5. Click on "Download Zip" and save the zip file to your preferred location. 6. My file saved as "chirp-master.zip" 7. Unzip the zip file with the following command: A. "unzip chirp-master.zip" 8. Change into the resulting chirp-master directory: A. "cd chirp-master" 9. Pip install Chirp's dependencies: A. "pip install -r requirements.txt 10. Install Chirp: A. "python setup.py install" 11. Now you can start chirp by running "chirp" from the command line.
Note: On ubuntu 22.04 you might have to install "python3-wxgtk4.0" before the pip install step.
Let me know if this helps. Orca was able to read me the menu items while I moved around chirp with my arrow keys.
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:13 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Hi David, Actually, a string of stuff that can be written into a bash script would be great, with the preclusion that the user install git first. So yes, it would be appreciated. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: David Boucha To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Hey Glenn,
I just tested running chirp directly from the git repository by installing the dependencies with "pip3 install -r requirements", then running "chirpwx.py" and orca was able to read everything to me. I'm not an expert on orca. I think the navigation worked, but it did seem to work fine.
Let me know if you'd like help running from the git repository.
Best,
Dave
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 8:55 AM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Hansen To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Lopez To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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On 2023-01-03 at 09:00, Ken Hansen (ken@n2vip.org) wrote:
Dear Ken, I notice you seem to the only poster here using HTML. This makes reading your appreciated posts tricky.
UTF-8 works fine is a faster read.
Yours Julian Macassey, G8LUK, N6ARE, OZ9IY
P.S. I am so tempted to post complaining that I can't use Unix Sys V anymore.
How do i go about downloading the new chirp
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 1:44 PM Julian Macassey julian@n6are.com wrote:
On 2023-01-03 at 09:00, Ken Hansen (ken@n2vip.org) wrote:
Dear Ken, I notice you seem to the only poster here using HTML. This makes reading your appreciated posts tricky.
UTF-8 works fine is a faster read.Yours Julian Macassey, G8LUK, N6ARE, OZ9IY
P.S. I am so tempted to post complaining that I can't use Unix Sys V anymore.
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This may assist. The download link can be found here. https://www.miklor.com/CHIRP/
John
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of ken hartmann Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 3:26 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
How do i go about downloading the new chirp
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 1:44 PM Julian Macassey julian@n6are.com wrote:
On 2023-01-03 at 09:00, Ken Hansen (ken@n2vip.org) wrote:
Dear Ken, I notice you seem to the only poster here using HTML. This makes reading your appreciated posts tricky.
UTF-8 works fine is a faster read.
Yours Julian Macassey, G8LUK, N6ARE, OZ9IY
P.S. I am so tempted to post complaining that I can't use Unix Sys V anymore.
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:00:20 -0600 Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
There's other distributions aside from Ubuntu. AlpineLinux is tiny for example. Gentoo also would let you build "just what you need" into a LiveCD. You usually don't need the full Gnome 3 desktop that Ubuntu typically ships, you need just enough to launch CHIRP and make it usable.
Perhaps add to this some hotplug USB storage smarts to enable auto-mounting of removable storage for those not used to bringing up a command line and manually mounting volumes. It'd still be hundreds of MiB, but likely significantly below 1GiB.
Another approach would be a Live environment that bundled CHIRP along with other amateur radio software (e.g. SDR tools, digital modes, etc) which might increase the size a little, but might then allow the environment to do more than just "program radios".
I did make a (command-line-only) LiveCD once using Gentoo's catalyst tool, and while I didn't get UEFI booting working, I did get a useful LiveCD that booted and contained tools sufficient for doing system rescue work. Maybe I should re-visit that.
Regards,
With all did respect, this statement is not correct:
"Win-7 ... runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next"
In fact, chirp-next is not one of you applications that runs great on Win-7. It's the current version of chirp that runs fine, and there's no reason to expect that to change. Rather, chirp-next is effectively a new application that you're interested in using. But it's a new application, and it has new requirements that your current system doesn't meet. So you're fine for now, until you decide you really want a new edition of chirp. Then you'll have to decide if the improvements in chirp justify a Windows upgrade.
It's really pretty cool that you have a system that still meets your needs after, what, 8 years? I've never managed that! I have a printer about that age, but everything around it has changed!
73, and happy chirping
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023, 8:15 AM Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7. there are a lot of hams I know that are still using Win-7 like I am and it runs very stable for all my applications except Chirp-Next. So now I have to use the older version of Chirp and am forced to get a newer machine with Windows 10 or 11 just to use the Next version of Chirp. Then I have to reinstall all the other programs onto the new machine. We hams are cheap and/or live on a fixed income. Look at the majority of hams. I do like the fact there is a new version of Chirp, I just wish I could use it on my machine. i was even tempted to send in a donation until I found out I couldn't use it. Like I said, I do wish it would have been more apparent that the new next version of Chirp will not run on Win-7.
On 1/2/2023 8:59 AM, Tony Ling wrote:
To be more accurate, it is made for Linux, Mac OS-X and Windows. Microsoft no longer support Windows 7.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 at 14:31, Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7. Dean - KC9REN
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Might be convenient if this dir were in reverse date order...
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 09:14:03 -0600 Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
Tony, you are correct although just because Microsoft doesn't support Windows 7 doesn't mean a program can't still work on Windows 7.
Likely the limiting factor is, the runtime environment Chirp runs on: Python. And given how much of a royal pain in the arse it is to support Microsoft Windows in any capacity compared to POSIX-like OSes such as Linux and MacOS X, I can understand why.
Serial ports are a nightmare to support under Windows. Anything Unix like, gives you a "standard" interface built around file descriptors with a common API for reading, writing, waiting for data, etc. Windows has one "special" API for network sockets and a second "special" API for serial ports.
Thus lots of special-case code has to be written "just" for Windows.
This is a platform that the manufacturers support by default. Windows users have _lots_ of options available for programming radio equipment. For some equipment, it's your ONLY option.
By comparison, Mac and Linux users often have only Chirp to turn to. (Some DMR radios can be programmed using `dmrconfig` -- I'm unaware of any other radio programming software packages for these OSes.)
Linux is a free download and can be run inside a virtual machine at no monetary cost to the end user beyond the Internet quota costs doing so. There is no legal impediment to doing this.
By contrast, people legally CANNOT USE Windows on a Linux-based desktop without purchasing a license from Microsoft -- and for a VM they expect you to pay top-dollar retail for it. And no, it is not a given that the computer came with Windows 10/11 -- especially if you build the machine from components.
If the Chirp project decided to re-instate support for Windows 7, that would mean having to run on an older release of Python such as Python 3.8 (which should work on Windows Vista and later). If people want Windows XP support, then we're stuck with Python 3.4. Python 3.4 does not support `async/await` features (introduced in 3.5, used by a lot of I/O libs) or type annotations (introduced in 3.6, gaining increasing use now too).
It's a big job to essentially fork old versions of underlying libraries and frameworks to support them yourself. Big enterprise pays big money for that sort of thing. I would suggest a virtual machine running an open-source OS is the easier and cheaper alternative.
Please, Stop.
It's not unreasonable for Microsoft to be paid to use its operating system, they do not owe 'free' licenses to people that build their own systems from components.
(Win10 Pro OEM COA licenses are as little as $30 from various websites if you need to buy a license.)
I don't understand a why, in this context, a user running Linux on a self-built system would need to run Win10 - CHIRP-NEXT already supports Linux (and Max and Win10)...
This thread is focused on loss of Win7 support going forward in CHIRP, which implies the list member/CHIRP user in question is currently running Win7, and any Retail/OEM Win7 license can upgrade to Win10 for free. Win10 systems with decent specifications and a license for Win7, 8.1, or 10 sell for reasonable prices, if someone decides to upgrade their hardware.
While there are some Linux apps for Amateur Radio, there are many more that run on Windows, switching OSes is a non-trivial decision for so-called appliance users who may only have one system and feel uncomfortable running a virtual machine.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 16:33, Stuart Longland VK4MSL via chirp_users chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com wrote:
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By contrast, people legally CANNOT USE Windows on a Linux-based desktop without purchasing a license from Microsoft -- and for a VM they expect you to pay top-dollar retail for it. And no, it is not a given that the computer came with Windows 10/11 -- especially if you build the machine from components.
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 22:14:14 -0600 Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
Please, Stop.
Stop what?
It's not unreasonable for Microsoft to be paid to use its operating system, they do not owe 'free' licenses to people that build their own systems from components.
Please quote the part of my email where I made such a statement.
I was merely stating that acquiring a license is a non-zero cost, and is mandatory if one is to use this OS. I never said that Microsoft should release their work for free. Please don't accuse me of writing things I didn't.
What I *did* point out, was the likely reason *why* Windows 7 support is being dropped: namely that it's the decision of underlying runtime library makers that have decided to not support this OS going forward.
I also pointed out the significant burden that supporting Windows has on development _beyond_ the monetary cost of the licenses, namely its requirement for "special case" code. Trying to support old versions only complicates this.
(Win10 Pro OEM COA licenses are as little as $30 from various websites if you need to buy a license.)
OEM licenses are not legal on virtual machines and must be purchased with new hardware.
Once upon a time (early 2000s), some resellers would sell you a cheap piece of hardware like an IDE cable as the "hardware" -- I am lead to believe Microsoft then changed the EULA to require that the "hardware" had to be at minimum include a CPU, RAM, storage and motherboard.
For a virtual machine, you'd be buying a full retail license, IF you had to hypothetically run a Windows VM (which you do not).
I don't understand a why, in this context, a user running Linux on a self-built system would need to run Win10 - CHIRP-NEXT already supports Linux (and Max and Win10)...
Correct… and I'm pointing out that for such users, Chirp is actually the only option in many cases, whereas Windows users have the full gamut of solutions out there -- lots of options if Chirp won't work.
In short, on Windows, you often DON'T have to use Chirp. If Chirp NEXT won't work on Windows 7, those users often can use something else that will, a luxury the Linux/Mac users do not have.
If someone wants Chirp NEXT and currently have Windows 7 as their OS, the choices are:
- update the Windows OS to something supported (presently Windows 10/11) - run a supported OS in a virtual machine (Linux and *BSD are free, or there's Windows 10/11) - run a POSIX-like OS such as Linux, MacOS X or *BSD bare-metal - fork Chirp NEXT and back-port it to Windows 7 (good luck) - fork the underlying projects, back-port *those* to Windows 7, then convince Chirp NEXT to run on it (again, good luck)
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While there are some Linux apps for Amateur Radio, there are many more that run on Windows, switching OSes is a non-trivial decision for so-called appliance users who may only have one system and feel uncomfortable running a virtual machine.
Windows is not an appliance. Computers are not appliances. Never have been. Using it like one (and many try to) does not make it so.
Over time, you may find those Windows-only applications will soon stop supporting Windows 7 too if they are being maintained with current compiler tool-chains and libraries. The ones that aren't being maintained will break some day on newer OSes, as backward compatibility is not perfect nor is it infinite.
Regards,
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 6:32 AM Dean Berglund deanberg2044@gmail.com wrote:
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7.
Perhaps you could be a bit more clear about "doesn't work"?
Martin. KD6YAM
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7.
It's on the page that describes the new builds, with a rationale:
https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/ChirpNextBuild#What-are-the-...
Unfortunately, it's really out of our control. There is only one version of the runtime we depend on that works on Windows 7, and we would have to use a compatibility library to even use that. That version will lose support soon as well.
It's important that the build system run a supported version of windows, so that it can be fully patched, and have all its security fixes applied. That's safety for every user that downloads chirp. In order to do that, it has to be running a supported windows and a supported runtime.
--Dan
Dan, I put this reference together over the weekend. I can enhance it if you think necessary. https://www.miklor.com/CHIRP/
John
https://www.Miklor.com https://www.Miklor.com/DMR/
-----Original Message----- From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Dan Smith via chirp_users Sent: Monday, January 2, 2023 10:34 AM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I would think it would be good to make it clear this "next" version of Chirp is made for Windows 10 and doesn't work on Windows 7.
It's on the page that describes the new builds, with a rationale:
https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/ChirpNextBuild#What-are-the- system-requirements-for-CHIRP-next
Unfortunately, it's really out of our control. There is only one version of the runtime we depend on that works on Windows 7, and we would have to use a compatibility library to even use that. That version will lose support soon as well.
It's important that the build system run a supported version of windows, so that it can be fully patched, and have all its security fixes applied. That's safety for every user that downloads chirp. In order to do that, it has to be running a supported windows and a supported runtime.
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Hi John,
I put this reference together over the weekend. I can enhance it if you think necessary. https://www.miklor.com/CHIRP/
Thanks for doing this, it looks great to me!
On the desktop shortcut note - is the installer not putting an icon in the start menu (or whatever you call it on windows these days)? Or are you just suggesting that for people that want it on the desktop too?
I thought common practice on windows (installers) was not to clutter up the desktop with launcher icons. I could look into making the installer optionally do this if you ask for it, but probably better after we take care of more of the urgent items.
Thanks!
--Dan
I want to respond with all due respect. I loaded your new "next". I did not like the way it looked. I went back and reloaded the 12/17/2022 build. I preferred it. I desperately wish CHIRP supported the Kenwood TS-430S. But it doesn't. I have a BTECH UV-50X2. I know they sponsor you. That's great! But I wish you'd support the older models and the older hams.
Christopher Knowles, Technician through Extra, 2018; VE
On 1/2/2023 2:15 PM, Dan Smith via chirp_users wrote:
Hi John,
I put this reference together over the weekend. I can enhance it if you think necessary. https://www.miklor.com/CHIRP/
Thanks for doing this, it looks great to me!
On the desktop shortcut note - is the installer not putting an icon in the start menu (or whatever you call it on windows these days)? Or are you just suggesting that for people that want it on the desktop too?
I thought common practice on windows (installers) was not to clutter up the desktop with launcher icons. I could look into making the installer optionally do this if you ask for it, but probably better after we take care of more of the urgent items.
Thanks!
--Dan _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Christopher Knowles at cknowles@tiac.net To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com
Chris
Have you thought about writing a driver for the Kenwood TS-430S from scratch (or modifying one of the existing drivers) and contributing it?
The change in the look is inevitable- in order to keep up with what software is available the CHIRP code had to be converted to Python 3 (Python 2.7 is end of life) and the old GUI Code PyGTK is not being supported for Python 3.
On 1/2/23, 2:54 PM, "Christopher Knowles" <chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com on behalf of cknowles@tiac.net mailto:cknowles@tiac.net> wrote:
I want to respond with all due respect. I loaded your new "next". I did not like the way it looked. I went back and reloaded the 12/17/2022 build. I preferred it. I desperately wish CHIRP supported the Kenwood TS-430S. But it doesn't. I have a BTECH UV-50X2. I know they sponsor you. That's great! But I wish you'd support the older models and the older hams.
Christopher Knowles, Technician through Extra, 2018; VE
On 1/2/2023 2:15 PM, Dan Smith via chirp_users wrote:
Hi John,
I put this reference together over the weekend. I can enhance it if you think necessary. https://www.miklor.com/CHIRP/ https://www.miklor.com/CHIRP/
Thanks for doing this, it looks great to me!
On the desktop shortcut note - is the installer not putting an icon in the start menu (or whatever you call it on windows these days)? Or are you just suggesting that for people that want it on the desktop too?
I thought common practice on windows (installers) was not to clutter up the desktop with launcher icons. I could look into making the installer optionally do this if you ask for it, but probably better after we take care of more of the urgent items.
Thanks!
--Dan _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Christopher Knowles at cknowles@tiac.net mailto:cknowles@tiac.net To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com To report this email as off-topic, please email chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-owner@intrepid.danplanet.com Searchable archive: https://www.mail-archive.com/chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com
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