Hi,
Excuse me, but I prefer windows 7, although I got a
new computer, and bought a key for 7, installed 10, and then put 7 in a VM,
because I like it better, and if it gets infected, I have backups of the
VM.
Now, on Chirp, since it went to having to use
flatpak, Blind folks haven't been able to use it.
So if I want to use Chirp in Ubuntu, it's got
to be Ubuntu using an old Python, and Chirp already installed.
And Chirp is so difficult in windows for people
using a screenreader, I would guess that less than 5% of screenreader users have
the screenreader skills to get around the lack of access to Chirp in
windows.
Glenn
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Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Apologies ahead of time for the novel I've written below, but I
have thoughts on all this, coming from a background working in fields that
pertain to this whole Win 7/Win 10, old Chirp/new Chirp dilemma. Feel free to
skip if you don't care!
If someone has, for whatever reason, stuck with
Windows 7 up until this point, what makes us think they're going to be able to
run a virtual machine, much less one with a Linux install on it, even if it is
Ubuntu? Not just from a technical ability standpoint, what makes us think their
hardware can support running multiple OSes, especially when one of them is
Windows? That's not a lightweight ask, especially on DDR3 RAM and
spinning-platter HDDs.
Also, if they're going to go through all the
rigamarole of setting up a VM, why are we bothering with the old version of
Ubuntu and Chirp? Use the latest Ubuntu and get new or old Chirp on there!
Here's an alternative: if someone is interested in using their old
hardware and the newer version of Chirp, and they're limited from upgrading
either their hardware or their OS, it could be a good idea to just install
Linux. Mint XFCE would be a solid distro for stability and compatibility on
older, outdated hardware, it's free, and let's be real, if they're into HAM,
they're down with learning and tinkering, which is a perfect mentality to have
going into learning Linux, even Mint/Ubuntu.
This is, of course, a good
amount of work. Downloading and making installer media may be a challenge.
Backing up data for use in the new OS. Installing Linux, even Mint, poses
challenges to neophytes. But it is a lot more viable, and long-lasting, a
solution than ad hoc-ing some bodge job of VMs and outdated OSes. And secure,
too. Windows 7 machines should not be connected to anything that can reach the
public Internet. Period. They're a massive security risk. This would resolve
that, albeit with a goodly amount of work.
Just my... three cents on it.
Too long an email for it to be just two lol.
Anyway, thanks for coming
to my TED Talk.
Matt
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On Jan 2, 2023, 21:08, K0LNY_Glenn <
glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp,
either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong
with it.
I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on
it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who
wants it.
Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with
several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to
find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up,
distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer
supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the
software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu
with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be
implemented.
I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb
drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a
VM.
Glenn
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