[chirp_users] Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV
I have a .img file created by reading an Anytone 588UV.
I have another .csv file I want to use to populate the 5888 file.
In my .csv file, all the channels are 'split' in the Duplex Column, and the absolute frequency shows in the offset column.
If I paste the data from the .csv file into my CHIRP .img file:
1. my only choices become '-' or '+' in the Duplex Col of the .img file for the 5888, whereas they were 'split' in the .csv file 2. and in the Offset col the simplex channels are blank in the Offset column, and the repeater channels have been transposed to an offset value rather than an ablsolute value.
Is this because CHIRP will not allow 'split' as an option for duplex because of the radio model number for some reason?
Regards, John
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:31 PM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Is this because CHIRP will not allow 'split' as an option for duplex because of the radio model number for some reason?
Yes, exactly. If you look at the 5888 in the Model Support page, you'll see it doesn't support Odd Split.
http://chirp.danplanet.com/download/0.4.0/Model_Support.html
I believe this is a limitation of the Chirp implementation, not the radio itself. Chirp developers haven't taken the time to support every feature on every radio. This is just one detail that was skipped, because offset is equally functional.
Chirp is smart enough to convert an odd split to an offset when importing, as you have found.
Tom KD7LXL
If you mean an odd split as something besides the normal .600 or 5.000 mhz shifts, like using 1.000 mhz on VHF yes the radio can do up to 100.000 mhz shifts in increments of 10 khz steps.
________________________________ From: Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:31 PM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Is this because CHIRP will not allow 'split' as an option for duplex because of the radio model number for some reason?
Yes, exactly. If you look at the 5888 in the Model Support page, you'll see it doesn't support Odd Split.
http://chirp.danplanet.com/download/0.4.0/Model_Support.html
I believe this is a limitation of the Chirp implementation, not the radio itself. Chirp developers haven't taken the time to support every feature on every radio. This is just one detail that was skipped, because offset is equally functional.
Chirp is smart enough to convert an odd split to an offset when importing, as you have found.
Tom KD7LXL
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Thanks for that. Although I see that Chirp is smart enough to convert an odd split to an offset when importing , what seems to happen is the simplex channels end up as receive only because there is nothing in the offset channel. When I first saw that with some handhelds I had done, I assumed it was just transmitting on the same frequency, then I discovered that there was nothing for a transmit frequency when it is configured that way. Is there a way to import the simplex channels so that they will transmit?
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:31 PM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Is this because CHIRP will not allow 'split' as an option for duplex
because
of the radio model number for some reason?
Yes, exactly. If you look at the 5888 in the Model Support page, you'll see it doesn't support Odd Split.
http://chirp.danplanet.com/download/0.4.0/Model_Support.html
I believe this is a limitation of the Chirp implementation, not the radio itself. Chirp developers haven't taken the time to support every feature on every radio. This is just one detail that was skipped, because offset is equally functional.
Chirp is smart enough to convert an odd split to an offset when importing, as you have found.
Tom KD7LXL _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:20 AM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Thanks for that. Although I see that Chirp is smart enough to convert an odd split to an offset when importing , what seems to happen is the simplex channels end up as receive only because there is nothing in the offset channel. When I first saw that with some handhelds I had done, I assumed it was just transmitting on the same frequency, then I discovered that there was nothing for a transmit frequency when it is configured that way. Is there a way to import the simplex channels so that they will transmit?
This might be a bug in the logic. I think no offset should be simplex, and "off" should be TX inhibit. Can you send me some samples with instructions on how to reproduce?
Tom KD7LXL
________________________________ From: Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:20 AM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Thanks for that. Although I see that Chirp is smart enough to convert an odd split to an offset when importing , what seems to happen is the simplex channels end up as receive only because there is nothing in the offset channel. When I first saw that with some handhelds I had done, I assumed it was just transmitting on the same frequency, then I discovered that there was nothing for a transmit frequency when it is configured that way. Is there a way to import the simplex channels so that they will transmit?
This might be a bug in the logic. I think no offset should be simplex, and "off" should be TX inhibit. Can you send me some samples with instructions on how to reproduce?
Tom KD7LXL _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
It's been a while, but I remember having similar problems after importing channels from a Wouxun 2D.
IIRC, freqs that I didn't want to transmit on (e.g. public service) suddenly had xmit frequencies on the 5R. I don't remember what the process did to simplex, but in any case I just sorted the CHIRP columns by "duplex," bulk-selected the ones that weren't right, then right-clicked into editing mode to change them all at once.
Duplex = "none" is simplex, and "off" for xmit inhibit.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for that Jeff. That is helpful, as I had forgotten about that edit mode being a possibility.
You mention you had the problem with a Wouxun. I noticed the problem when I first programmed a Wouxun KG-816. I had assumed that when the offset was blank it would Tx on the same frequency, then later discovered I was wrong.
My channels are grouped, they are arranged by Tx frequency so that I can color code the appropriate antennas. So my only dilemma would be if I sort on Duplex, getting them back into ascending order based on the Tx frequency seems like it would be problematic because I don't have a Tx frequency to sort on, just the offset. But if I see Duplex = (None), then in fact I do have simplex after all?
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jeff wireless3.14159@gmail.com wrote:
It's been a while, but I remember having similar problems after importing channels from a Wouxun 2D.
IIRC, freqs that I didn't want to transmit on (e.g. public service) suddenly had xmit frequencies on the 5R. I don't remember what the process did to simplex, but in any case I just sorted the CHIRP columns by "duplex," bulk-selected the ones that weren't right, then right-clicked into editing mode to change them all at once.
Duplex = "none" is simplex, and "off" for xmit inhibit.
Hope this helps. _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
No problemo, John. If I get a chance to play with it, I'll see if things still behave the same; it's possible I was using an older daily build at the time.
A bit of a problem sorting by xmit frequency for sure. Maybe sorting by receive frequency would be good enough for keeping track of antennas? Otherwise some sort of back and forth import/export/sorting action in Excel, though that doesn't seem like much fun.
But yes, the simplex channels I have are all "none" for the duplex field.
-------- Original Message -------- From: John Kellas sales@mparam.com Sent: Mon Mar 31 17:59:01 MDT 2014 To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV
Thanks for that Jeff. That is helpful, as I had forgotten about that edit mode being a possibility.
You mention you had the problem with a Wouxun. I noticed the problem when I first programmed a Wouxun KG-816. I had assumed that when the offset was blank it would Tx on the same frequency, then later discovered I was wrong.
My channels are grouped, they are arranged by Tx frequency so that I can color code the appropriate antennas. So my only dilemma would be if I sort on Duplex, getting them back into ascending order based on the Tx frequency seems like it would be problematic because I don't have a Tx frequency to sort on, just the offset. But if I see Duplex = (None), then in fact I do have simplex after all?
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jeff wireless3.14159@gmail.com wrote:
It's been a while, but I remember having similar problems after importing channels from a Wouxun 2D.
IIRC, freqs that I didn't want to transmit on (e.g. public service) suddenly had xmit frequencies on the 5R. I don't remember what the process did to simplex, but in any case I just sorted the CHIRP columns by "duplex," bulk-selected the ones that weren't right, then right-clicked into editing mode to change them all at once.
Duplex = "none" is simplex, and "off" for xmit inhibit.
Hope this helps. _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
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Thanks Jeff,
I'll upload all those that I imported from CSV into the 5888 as they all say 'none', and then see how it goes, it sounds like I will have simplex which is great, this is for a SAR Group, 12 radios, and there's going to be about 150 channels in there, which I'd prefer not to have to edit by hand.
Thanks again to everyone that has helped with this.
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jeff wireless3.14159@gmail.com wrote:
No problemo, John. If I get a chance to play with it, I'll see if things still behave the same; it's possible I was using an older daily build at the time.
A bit of a problem sorting by xmit frequency for sure. Maybe sorting by receive frequency would be good enough for keeping track of antennas? Otherwise some sort of back and forth import/export/sorting action in Excel, though that doesn't seem like much fun.
But yes, the simplex channels I have are all "none" for the duplex field.
*From:* John Kellas sales@mparam.com *Sent:* Mon Mar 31 17:59:01 MDT 2014
*To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV
Thanks for that Jeff. That is helpful, as I had forgotten about that edit mode being a possibility.
You mention you had the problem with a Wouxun. I noticed the problem when I first programmed a Wouxun KG-816. I had assumed that when the offset was blank it would Tx on the same frequency, then later discovered I was wrong.
My channels are grouped, they are arranged by Tx frequency so that I can color code the appropriate antennas. So my only dilemma would be if I sort on Duplex, getting them back into ascending order based on the Tx frequency seems like it would be problematic because I don't have a Tx frequency to sort on, just the offset. But if I see Duplex = (None), then in fact I do have simplex after all?
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jeff wireless3.14159@gmail.com wrote:
It's been a while, but I remember having similar problems after importing channels from a Wouxun 2D.
IIRC, freqs that I didn't want to transmit on (e.g. public service) suddenly had xmit frequencies on the 5R. I don't remember what the process did to simplex, but in any case I just sorted the CHIRP columns by "duplex," bulk-selected the ones that weren't right, then right-clicked into editing mode to change them all at once.
Duplex = "none" is simplex, and "off" for xmit inhibit.
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How do I change the PORT from bluetooth to USB? On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:46 PM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Thanks Jeff,
I'll upload all those that I imported from CSV into the 5888 as they all say 'none', and then see how it goes, it sounds like I will have simplex which is great, this is for a SAR Group, 12 radios, and there's going to be about 150 channels in there, which I'd prefer not to have to edit by hand.
Thanks again to everyone that has helped with this.
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jeff wireless3.14159@gmail.com wrote: No problemo, John. If I get a chance to play with it, I'll see if things still behave the same; it's possible I was using an older daily build at the time.
A bit of a problem sorting by xmit frequency for sure. Maybe sorting by receive frequency would be good enough for keeping track of antennas? Otherwise some sort of back and forth import/export/sorting action in Excel, though that doesn't seem like much fun.
But yes, the simplex channels I have are all "none" for the duplex field.
From: John Kellas sales@mparam.com Sent: Mon Mar 31 17:59:01 MDT 2014
To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV
Thanks for that Jeff. That is helpful, as I had forgotten about that edit mode being a possibility.
You mention you had the problem with a Wouxun. I noticed the problem when I first programmed a Wouxun KG-816. I had assumed that when the offset was blank it would Tx on the same frequency, then later discovered I was wrong.
My channels are grouped, they are arranged by Tx frequency so that I can color code the appropriate antennas. So my only dilemma would be if I sort on Duplex, getting them back into ascending order based on the Tx frequency seems like it would be problematic because I don't have a Tx frequency to sort on, just the offset. But if I see Duplex = (None), then in fact I do have simplex after all?
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Jeff wireless3.14159@gmail.com wrote: It's been a while, but I remember having similar problems after importing channels from a Wouxun 2D.
IIRC, freqs that I didn't want to transmit on (e.g. public service) suddenly had xmit frequencies on the 5R. I don't remember what the process did to simplex, but in any case I just sorted the CHIRP columns by "duplex," bulk-selected the ones that weren't right, then right-clicked into editing mode to change them all at once.
Duplex = "none" is simplex, and "off" for xmit inhibit.
Hope this helps. _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
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Hi all
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards
Alan Stratford
VK3FABT
Hi guys I guess it helps to change the subject line when sending a message!! (sorry)
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards
Alan Stratford
VK3FABT
438.0500 minus 5.4 MHZ offset, don't know the PL tone if any 146.9625 minus .600 MHZ offset, don't know the PL tone is any
________________________________ From: Alan Stratford straty10@hotmail.com To: "chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:28 AM Subject: [chirp_users] Icom 2820H Question
Hi guys I guess it helps to change the subject line when sending a message!! (sorry)
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards Alan Stratford VK3FABT
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Now uses the info Milton provided iwth the examples here
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_CHIRP.php
You probably are going to need to find out the CTCSS tones (or DTCS codes) though.
Jim KC9HI
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Milton Hywatt mhywattt@yahoo.com wrote:
438.0500 minus 5.4 MHZ offset, don't know the PL tone if any 146.9625 minus .600 MHZ offset, don't know the PL tone is any
*From:* Alan Stratford straty10@hotmail.com *To:* "chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com" < chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:28 AM *Subject:* [chirp_users] Icom 2820H Question
Hi guys I guess it helps to change the subject line when sending a message!! (sorry)
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards
Alan Stratford VK3FABT
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Are you accessing it Via D-Star or Analog?
Brad NK8J
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Alan Stratford Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:28 AM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: [chirp_users] Icom 2820H Question
Hi guys I guess it helps to change the subject line when sending a message!! (sorry)
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards
Alan Stratford VK3FABT
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I am using analog
Regards
Alan Stratford VK3FABT
From: nk8j@juno.com To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:26:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Icom 2820H Question
Are you accessing it Via D-Star or Analog?
Brad NK8J
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Alan Stratford Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:28 AM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: [chirp_users] Icom 2820H Question
Hi guys I guess it helps to change the subject line when sending a message!! (sorry)
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards
Alan Stratford VK3FABT
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Alan, Brett:
This thread is for '*Cannot program Simplex from Imported CSV*'
I'm thinking it's probable you'd have more luck getting help if you start a new thread for your problem as your posts have probably been overlooked in this thread.
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Alan Stratford straty10@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi all
Just got a new Icom 2820H
I am having trouble with repeater access.
Does anyone have a file import that can access the VK3RMM 70cm & 2m repeaters?
I need to set these 2 up for the weekend.
Regards
Alan Stratford VK3FABT
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Thanks for that. Not sure if this will help, but this is how the .csv appears: [image: Inline image 1]
You'll note CH 2 is simplex. This is how it goes when I paste from the CSV file into the 5888 .img file: [image: Inline image 2]
Regards, John Kellas 403-762-2333
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:20 AM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Thanks for that. Although I see that Chirp is smart enough to convert an
odd
split to an offset when importing , what seems to happen is the simplex channels end up as receive only because there is nothing in the offset channel. When I first saw that
with
some handhelds I had done, I assumed it was just transmitting on the same frequency, then I discovered that there was nothing for a transmit
frequency
when it is configured that way. Is there a way to import the simplex channels so that they will transmit?
This might be a bug in the logic. I think no offset should be simplex, and "off" should be TX inhibit. Can you send me some samples with instructions on how to reproduce?
Tom KD7LXL _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:51 PM, John Kellas sales@mparam.com wrote:
Thanks for that. Not sure if this will help, but this is how the .csv appears: [image: Inline image 1]
You'll note CH 2 is simplex. This is how it goes when I paste from the CSV file into the 5888 .img file: [image: Inline image 2]
The screenshots are displaying fine on my computer, but I'm not sure what about them you are trying to show me. None of the channels in the screenshot have TX inhibit.
Tom KD7LXL
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