[chirp_users] Fw: [blind-hams] Anybody using chirp software?
Is this correct?
----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony R Paolucci Jr To: K0LNY_Glenn Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [blind-hams] Anybody using chirp software?
Fyi for those who use chirp 2 program your yaesu fusion radios chirp software tends 2 turn your radios into useless bricks after programming them score John Kruk Narketing/sales Manager at Yaesu USA. He reccomend either using the programming software that Yaesu has if the programming software is available for the make/model of the yaesu radio listed on the files tab for the radio. If theres no programming software listed under your radio model then you are forced to buy the programming cable & software from rt systems. Be advised if chirp bricks your yaesu radio you will be forced to ship your radio to yaesu usa in California for repairs. Also be advised that once chirp bricks your radio your radio warranty will be voided and you will be responsible for paying all shipping costs, parts & labor to restore your radio back to factory settings. 73 Anthony R Paolucci Jr KG5JPU (817)707-6008
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 10:29 Glenn / Lenny glenn@ervin.email wrote:
I use chirp in Linux, with the screenreader Orca. When you are in the Linux graphic user interface, it is more like old windows than new windows is. You will have menus like old windows, and virtually all the keyboard commands in Linux are like that of windows shortcuts. Orca is more like using NVDA than like using Jaws. And Chirp is fully accessible in Linux. You can use Linux on a thumb drive without installing it. I have Linux installed in a virtual machine on this computer, and I have it installed side by side windows on another, and I have it on multiple USB drives around here. You can install the live version to a backup drive and the backed up files will still be there, but you can boot to that drive if you want. But with all that, it is possible to use Chirp in windows, but you have to do a lot of routing Jaws to PC, and then finding the selection, and then routing PC to Jaws. And if you aren't familiar already with the menu options in Chirp, this would be challenging, but I have used it in Windows. Another problem with Chirp in windows, and sighted people have this problem too, is that Windows has difficulty using the right drivers, where Linux doesn't, and people just don't have driver issues in Chirp when it comes to recognizing the cable they are connecting between the computer and radio. Finally, people should not be afraid of learning Linux, I think windows 10 has a steeper learning curve from windows 7, than using Linux, that is the Linux desktop environment, when people use terminal commands, that is more learning, that is like using windows command window, and I think most windows users can't use that much either.
HTH. Glenn
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No. Chirp works fine with Yaesu radios. Never heard of a genuine case of Chirp bricking a radio.
Nigel A. Gunn, ///shoulders.outwards.resolutions tel +1-937-971-0366 Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
John Kruk has a history of casting doubt on various items hams like to use with their Yaesu radios - he is quick to disparage Hotspots and now apparently CHIRP.
On almost every Yaesu/Fusion radio I've seen, it takes several particular steps to update the firmware on their radios, none of which are required to read/program their radios.
I think John is muddying the waters by reminding owners they are responsible for all repair costs when they 'brick' their radios using tools not 'blessed' by Yaesu.
Ken, N2VIP
On Mar 25, 2022, at 17:12, Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
No. Chirp works fine with Yaesu radios. Never heard of a genuine case of Chirp bricking a radio.
Nigel,
I'm confused - which is probably the way I came out at birth, but isn't the Yaesu Fusion a digital mode?
Can CHIRP work with at least the non-digital channels of transceivers like YAESU FT1DR? That's a Fusion radio but I don't see it listed on https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Supported_Radios
Other Yaesu Fusion radios are:
FT1DR FT2DR FT3DR FT5DR FT-70DR FTM-100DR FTM-300DR FTM-400DR FTM-3200DR FTM-3207DR FTM-7250DR FT-991
I see in supported radios, that these are listed:
FTM-3100 (use FTM-3200D selection) FTM-3200D
I don't know if FTM-3200D is different than FTM-3200DR
Could you help unconfuse me, I don't know much about Yaesu digital radios.
Thank you,
73
David N1EA
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:12 PM Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
At least for the Yaesu FT-70, I don't have other Yaesu digital radios, Chirp will program frequencies, repeater shift etc. needed for the analogue FM mode but will not let you select digital as a mode or allow the setting of callsigns, etc required tor Fusion/Wires-X use.
Nigel A. Gunn, ///shoulders.outwards.resolutions tel +1-937-971-0366 Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
That makes it crystal clear.
Glenn, K0LNY and the rest of us now have a clear answer. CHIRP cannot read or write to the digital channels!
Fabulous!
73
David N1EA
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 10:47 PM Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
This is pure BS and FUD from Yaesu. They have propagated this now for years. The issue from what I understand is improper memory protection, you can brick the radios with their software too.
FYI. I refuse to purchase Yaesu radios, there are many reasons but the big one is they are all proprietary, they want to run a walled garden in ham radio, Their digital radios are a very good example of this. The protocol is proprietary, just try to put it in your radio, you will have Yaesu bottom feeder critters a knocking on your door.
If their programming software was so good why do so many prefer Chirp (this is not a critique of Chirp and the developers, Chirp is like a Swiss Army knife) to program their radios. And also they send you off to Windows based crap that is RT Systems... Again proprietary...
Sorry folks, but this is amateur radio and I do not believe proprietary has a place in our hobby.
Best Regards.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:29 PM Geordon VanTassle gvantass@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, Yaesu sold a bunch of repeaters cheap and my only local repeater is fusion, and before I knew that, I bought a DMR radio with which I could only do analog. I would not pay for that over priced crap.
----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Hast To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [blind-hams] Anybody using chirp software?
This is pure BS and FUD from Yaesu. They have propagated this now for years. The issue from what I understand is improper memory protection, you can brick the radios with their software too.
FYI. I refuse to purchase Yaesu radios, there are many reasons but the big one is they are all proprietary, they want to run a walled garden in ham radio, Their digital radios are a very good example of this. The protocol is proprietary, just try to put it in your radio, you will have Yaesu bottom feeder critters a knocking on your door.
If their programming software was so good why do so many prefer Chirp (this is not a critique of Chirp and the developers, Chirp is like a Swiss Army knife) to program their radios. And also they send you off to Windows based crap that is RT Systems... Again proprietary...
Sorry folks, but this is amateur radio and I do not believe proprietary has a place in our hobby.
Best Regards.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:29 PM Geordon VanTassle gvantass@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, CHIRP is specifically for analogue programming. Nothing digital, that’s where the manufacturer software comes into play.
— With greatest regards, Geordon Shōshin 正心 VanTassle
On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:04 PM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. n1ea@arrl.net wrote:
That makes it crystal clear.
Glenn, K0LNY and the rest of us now have a clear answer. CHIRP cannot read or write to the digital channels!
Fabulous!
73
David N1EA
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 10:47 PM Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
At least for the Yaesu FT-70, I don't have other Yaesu digital radios, Chirp will program frequencies, repeater shift etc. needed for the analogue FM mode but will not let you select digital as a mode or allow the setting of callsigns, etc required tor Fusion/Wires-X use.
> On 25/03/2022 22:33 D.J.J. Ring, Jr. n1ea@arrl.net wrote: > > > Nigel, > > I'm confused - which is probably the way I came out at birth, but > isn't the Yaesu Fusion a digital mode? > > Can CHIRP work with at least the non-digital channels of transceivers > like YAESU FT1DR? That's a Fusion radio but I don't see it listed on > https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Supported_Radios > > Other Yaesu Fusion radios are: > > FT1DR > FT2DR > FT3DR > FT5DR > FT-70DR > FTM-100DR > FTM-300DR > FTM-400DR > FTM-3200DR > FTM-3207DR > FTM-7250DR > FT-991 > > I see in supported radios, that these are listed: > > FTM-3100 (use FTM-3200D selection) > FTM-3200D > > I don't know if FTM-3200D is different than FTM-3200DR > > Could you help unconfuse me, I don't know much about Yaesu digital radios. > > Thank you, > > 73 > > David N1EA > > > > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:12 PM Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF > nigel@ngunn.net wrote: > > > > No. Chirp works fine with Yaesu radios. Never heard of a genuine case of Chirp bricking a radio. > > > > On 25/03/2022 17:46 K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote: > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > ----- Original Message -----
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There is no difference between digital and analogue channels EXCEPT the MODE is either FM or DIGITAL so Chirp can write to the "digital" channels. It just can't set MODE to DIGITAL.
Nigel A. Gunn, ///shoulders.outwards.resolutions tel +1-937-971-0366 Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
Yaesu's own software, whilst somewhat crude, is suitable for all of the programming for Yaesu radios but doesn't allow importing data from Chirp.
Nigel A. Gunn, ///shoulders.outwards.resolutions tel +1-937-971-0366 Amateur Radio G8IFF W8IFF and GMRS WRBV701, e-mail nigel@ngunn.net www http://www.ngunn.net
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Benton
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Chuck Hast
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Geordon VanTassle
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Ken Hansen
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Nigel A. Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF