Yo Troops, My 2 UV5Rs program well from my PC. My new UV B5 will not by using the same pc and cable. I do change the download window from uv 5r to uv b5.. the error window says the ACK message. This is Win 7. Help needed and Thanks in advance,

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Jim Unroe rock.unroe@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Justin 700hpvette1@cox.net wrote:

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So I tried to setup a UHF simplex channel with CTCSS/DCS on one of my

UV-82’s (well frankly any “privacy” type code/tone). No matter what combination I tried, my BF8-HP (listening to the same frequency but no codes programmed) picked up every transmission. Also, the UV-82 would receive anything I sent with the BF8. The most I could accomplish was the the UV-82 would receive only the carrier and wouldn’t produce any of the audio. Downloading the daily build changed nothing and I even copied the settings from a working repeater channel and just removed the offset and still nothing. Is there a bug? Am I an idiot? I was able to program all my repeaters just fine and the tones are obviously working or the repeaters wouldn’t! Does the software ignore tone settings if there is no repeater offsets? Im doubtful as the LCD displayed the changes? Surely someone besides me wants some simplex “privacy”?

...

Justin,

What I get from the above...

1. "I tried something."
2. "That something didn't work"
3. "What did I do wrong?"

It would have been helpful if some of the parameters that were tried would have been provided.

1. What was the Tone Mode setting?
2. What was the Tone or ToneSql setting?

Attaching the "CHIRP Radio Image (*.img)" file from each radio.would also have been helpful.

For a ham repeater requiring a 100.0 Hz CTCSS tone for access, the setup would usually be...

Tone Mode=Tone Tone=100.0

This transmits the CTCSS to the repeater to "open" its receiver to let you communicate though it. You receiver requires no tone and will open with any signal.

This would be useless in a simplex scenario. Any signal (regardless of the tone frequency or no tone at all) would be received.

For tone squelch on a simplex frequency using the same 100.0 Hz CTCSS tone, the setup would be...

Tone Mode=TSQL ToneSql=100.0

This transmits the 100.0 Hz CTCSS tone over the air and requires the same 100.0 Hz CTCSS tone to be received to open the squelch of your receiver.

You should be able to verify your programming by accessing menu 11 (R-CTCS) and menu 13 (T-CTCS) of both radios. If you programmed CHIRP correctly, both menus of both radios should have the same value.

It wouldn't hurt for you to visit wikipedia and/or google CTCSS to learn something about it. Someone that understands what CTCSS would never program it expecting "privacy". That is only something that FRS/GMRS marketing people offer to the unknowing general public.

So there are 3 groups of users on a common frequency. Group A, group B and group C. Group uses a 100.0 Hz CTCSS tone, group B uses a 123.0 Hz CTCSS tone and group C doesn't use any CTCSS tone.

A member of group A cannot hear transmissions from group B or group C. A member of group B cannot hear transmissions from group A or group C. A member of group C can hear all transmissions from group A, group B and group C (and anyone else).

Anyone with a radio or scanner with receive CTCSS and receive DCS set to OFF can hear you. There is no "privacy". There is only "selective receive".

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Dennis,

Motorola was several years ahead of any other company that used the Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System. All of my materials from Motorola (I was a Motorola dealer/ shop) even state that the tone keeps the squelch quiet so that the user does not hear all other traffic on the frequency. Of course, they also caution that before making any transmission the user is supposed to turn off the 'Private Line' to check to see if anyone else is already using that frequency. (In accordance with Federal Law.) Motorola did refer to the tone system as "Private Line", or just "PL" systems. Many of the older equipment had a toggle switch on the control head for this that was labeled PL, or Private Line, and all such radios were called "Private Line Radio".  "CTCSS" was the abbreviation Motorola used for their 'Private Line' radios for ordering. They didn't mean that for use to ID the feature. Instead, they (since they were the only one to have it at the time) actually intended the feature to be called 'private line' radios, and that the abbreviation merely described what it did.

Dave DJnRF From: Dennis Smith m1dlguk@gmail.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] UV-82 "Privacy coding (tones)"

Jim, I'm sure you will agree with me that the marketing department in Motorola (who (if I'm not mistaken) first called them "Privacy Tones") must have known that they were blatantly misleading people, where as most other companies call them by the anachronism CTCSS correctly. This explains CTCSS for the lay-user quite well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zht-Y_QsZ2I

Dennis Smith M1DLG

I think you're understanding his problem precisely. The issue is that the amateur bands do not support privacy. Indeed, no analog radio transmissions do. Further, as amateurs we're not allowed to encrypt. If you want privacy a person is probably best to use a mobile phone, if coverage exists.

Jim VE5EIS

-----Original Message----- From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Jim McCorison Sent: April-21-15 2:26 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] UV-82 "Privacy coding (tones)"

If I understand what you are describing and what you are asking, you are misunderstanding what tones do. The purpose of tones is not to create privacy, but to allow a radio to ignore transmissions that are not meant for it. When you set a receive tone the radio will remain silent unless a transmitting radio sends that tone. With no tone set a receiving radio will receive all transmissions on its set frequency regardless of whatever tones may be transmitted.

Cheers, Jim

Jim McCorison Orcas Island, WA

On Apr 21, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Justin 700hpvette1@cox.net wrote:

So I tried to setup a UHF simplex channel with CTCSS/DCS on one of my UV-82’s (well frankly any “privacy” type code/tone). No matter what combination I tried, my BF8-HP (listening to the same frequency but no codes programmed) picked up every transmission. Also, the UV-82 would receive anything I sent with the BF8. The most I could accomplish was the the UV-82 would receive only the carrier and wouldn’t produce any of the audio. Downloading the daily build changed nothing and I even copied the settings from a working repeater channel and just removed the offset and still nothing. Is there a bug? Am I an idiot? I was able to program all my repeaters just fine and the tones are obviously working or the repeaters wouldn’t! Does the software ignore tone settings if there is no repeater offsets? Im doubtful as the LCD displayed the changes? Surely someone besides me wants some simplex “privacy”? _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com

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