[chirp_users] Column Differences
There are some new columns in the Img file but those columns do not get generated in CSV.
In general the IMG columns, the memory Properties column list, the CSV columns and the WiKi column definitions are not in sync.
I especially would like to use the Power column.
1. In the config file, if I change the column_order_rmemoryeditor column list to the values in the column_order_dstarmemoryeditor list, or add the missing columns to each so they are all inclusive on both, would that make the IMG and CSV identical? And also make the Generic csv the same?
2. And how will I be able to edit the Power (no values) and Skip (skip options are blank and S, no P)
Thanks
Walt
N6STM
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Walt Childson wchildson@gmail.com wrote:
There are some new columns in the Img file but those columns do not get generated in CSV.
In general the IMG columns, the memory Properties column list, the CSV columns and the WiKi column definitions are not in sync.
I especially would like to use the Power column.
Hi Walt,
The differences you are seeing between CSV and .img files are due to the differences between radio models.
Chirp .img files are the exact contents of a radio's memory as downloaded by Chirp. This means they will be different for every radio and will only support the features of that radio. Some radios support power settings per channel, some do not, so availability of this column will vary by radio model. Likewise, Dstar columns are only available for Dstar radios, etc.
Chirp CSV is meant to be a least-common-denominator format. For the most part, it contains columns supported by all radios. Not all radios support power settings, and for those that do there is no standard*, so CSV does not support a power level column. Not all radios support "priority" scanning (and this means different things for different radios), so this is intentionally left out of Chirp CSV format.
*When I say there is no standard for power levels, I mean that "low" and "high" mean completely different things on different radios. Low power can mean anything from 50 mW to 10 watts, depending on the radio. High power could mean anything from 5 watts to 100 watts or more. It gets even more complicated when you add in power levels like "Mid", "Medium", "L2", "L3", etc.
Chirp's import/export/copy/paste features attempt to disambiguate these power levels by assigning a value in watts to each power level in every radio that supports power levels. If you copy a "high" power radio channel from a handheld and paste it into mobile, Chirp looks up what "high" means for that handheld--typically 5 watts--then attempts to find the closest power level to 5 watts on the mobile--probably "low" power. Since CSV format is not tied to a specific radio, there's no good baseline power levels to choose from, so it just isn't supported.
Adding an unsupported column to a CSV file will not add support for that column in Chirp. You would also need to add the column in the Chirp code and write code for how to interpret that column. This code would be relatively simple to write if not for the problem I mentioned above--you would need to define how to disambiguate all the possible options.
Tom KD7LXL
Thanks Tom
Walt
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Tom Hayward tom@tomh.us wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Walt Childson wchildson@gmail.com wrote:
There are some new columns in the Img file but those columns do not get generated in CSV.
In general the IMG columns, the memory Properties column list, the CSV columns and the WiKi column definitions are not in sync.
I especially would like to use the Power column.
Hi Walt,
The differences you are seeing between CSV and .img files are due to the differences between radio models.
Chirp .img files are the exact contents of a radio's memory as downloaded by Chirp. This means they will be different for every radio and will only support the features of that radio. Some radios support power settings per channel, some do not, so availability of this column will vary by radio model. Likewise, Dstar columns are only available for Dstar radios, etc.
Chirp CSV is meant to be a least-common-denominator format. For the most part, it contains columns supported by all radios. Not all radios support power settings, and for those that do there is no standard*, so CSV does not support a power level column. Not all radios support "priority" scanning (and this means different things for different radios), so this is intentionally left out of Chirp CSV format.
*When I say there is no standard for power levels, I mean that "low" and "high" mean completely different things on different radios. Low power can mean anything from 50 mW to 10 watts, depending on the radio. High power could mean anything from 5 watts to 100 watts or more. It gets even more complicated when you add in power levels like "Mid", "Medium", "L2", "L3", etc.
Chirp's import/export/copy/paste features attempt to disambiguate these power levels by assigning a value in watts to each power level in every radio that supports power levels. If you copy a "high" power radio channel from a handheld and paste it into mobile, Chirp looks up what "high" means for that handheld--typically 5 watts--then attempts to find the closest power level to 5 watts on the mobile--probably "low" power. Since CSV format is not tied to a specific radio, there's no good baseline power levels to choose from, so it just isn't supported.
Adding an unsupported column to a CSV file will not add support for that column in Chirp. You would also need to add the column in the Chirp code and write code for how to interpret that column. This code would be relatively simple to write if not for the problem I mentioned above--you would need to define how to disambiguate all the possible options.
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