[chirp_users] Interface for Yaesu 8800
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
They aren't expensive to buy already made. Probably not much more than the parts and your time.
$30. from RT Systems. $22 from Amazon
Say others on Ebay for $7.99 but they may contain counterfeit USB to serial chips.
________________________________ From: Randy Elliott ve3jpu@me.com To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [chirp_users] Interface for Yaesu 8800
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? --> http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version: - http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800-ft89...
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well: - http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800...
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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409shop also has cables, which work fine for me. For a few bucks more, I got a multi-cable kit that had like 6-in-1 interchangeable tips that worked with my vx-2,3,6 and ft-7900 (should be same din plug as 7800/7900/8800/8900).
if you are so inclined to build your own cable (I think you can find these din plugs in pc junk bins), this is a good reference for pinout: http://www.g4hfq.co.uk/links.html
On Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:09 PM, Aubrey Turner aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com wrote:
I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? --> http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version: - http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800-ft89...
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well: - http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800...
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
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Are the 409shop cables genuine PL-2303 or FTDI?
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
409shop also has cables, which work fine for me. For a few bucks more, I got a multi-cable kit that had like 6-in-1 interchangeable tips that worked with my vx-2,3,6 and ft-7900 (should be same din plug as 7800/7900/8800/8900).
if you are so inclined to build your own cable (I think you can find these din plugs in pc junk bins), this is a good reference for pinout: http://www.g4hfq.co.uk/links.html
On Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:09 PM, Aubrey Turner < aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com> wrote: I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? -->
http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800-ft89...
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800...
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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Not completely sure, but I'm guessing fake prolific.
On Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:04 PM, Tom Morris blueneon@gmail.com wrote:
Are the 409shop cables genuine PL-2303 or FTDI?
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
409shop also has cables, which work fine for me.
For a few bucks more, I got a multi-cable kit that had like 6-in-1 interchangeable tips that worked with my vx-2,3,6 and ft-7900 (should be same din plug as 7800/7900/8800/8900).
if you are so inclined to build your own cable (I think you can find these din plugs in pc junk bins), this is a good reference for pinout: http://www.g4hfq.co.uk/links.html
On Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:09 PM, Aubrey Turner aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com wrote:
I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? --> http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the
right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a
serial version:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800-ft89...
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800...
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find
better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
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Every cable I have from 409Shop seems to have a cloned Prolific chip in it. So you have to use the older drivers.
--Aubrey
[Sent from my phone... please excuse any typos.] On Nov 21, 2013 5:05 PM, "Tom Morris" blueneon@gmail.com wrote:
Are the 409shop cables genuine PL-2303 or FTDI?
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
409shop also has cables, which work fine for me. For a few bucks more, I got a multi-cable kit that had like 6-in-1 interchangeable tips that worked with my vx-2,3,6 and ft-7900 (should be same din plug as 7800/7900/8800/8900).
if you are so inclined to build your own cable (I think you can find these din plugs in pc junk bins), this is a good reference for pinout: http://www.g4hfq.co.uk/links.html
On Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:09 PM, Aubrey Turner < aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com> wrote: I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? -->
http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800-ft89...
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800...
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
There is a cable guide on the Chirp wiki that has information on buying as well as building cables for some radios. It needs more contributions.
http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/CableGuide
Are the 409shop cables genuine PL-2303 or FTDI?
I don't think 409shop or any of the direct from China sites sell FTDI cables.
If a cable seems inexpensive (< $15-20) it's got one of the counterfeit prolific chips that have driver issues with Windows 7 and later, especially 64 bit. Mac OS also seems to require some experimentation to find a driver that works.
At this point I don't know if there is such as thing as genuine Prolific PL-2303 that is worth anything since Prolific has intentionally crippled the drivers to try to detect the counterfeit chips. I believe they are trying to push OEMs to using some new chip and just hoping to put the whole PL-2303 thing behind them.
409shop also has cables, which work fine for me.
At this point with all of the information out there about driver support for the different operating systems, statements like that are really unhelpful. It works fine for you because you only use Linux? Because you only use XP? Because you've followed the steps to pick the old driver and make sure it didn't get updated?
Please we've all wasted so much time on these cables, if you are going to recommend that someone "save a few bucks" let them know what they (and we) are in for since everyone seeks advice on the mailing list first. At least give them pointers to the miklor site.
For a few bucks more, I got a multi-cable kit that had like 6-in-1 interchangeable tips that worked with my vx-2,3,6 and ft-7900 (should be same din plug as 7800/7900/8800/8900).
It's interesting that they are selling those. You don't need to buy a USB to serial converter for every radio. The multi-cable kits that I could find all use the Prolific clones. At least one ebay seller mentioned "don't work with Win7 64 bit" ;-)
It might be worth it to buy this kit, and then replace the USB to serial converter with an FTDI cable that winds up with the same 3.5mm TRS.
Which brings me to this question:
So this cable has level converter built into it, or is a level converter not needed.
It depends on the radio. Many radios use TTL signalling 0-5VDC and not RS-232 signalling so no level converter is needed from the USB serial chips which are 5Vdc and powered from the USB bus.
However, there are radios that do use RS-232 voltage levels, or worse use 3.3V low voltage ttl signalling, so you better know what you are doing or you may windup blowing something on either end of the connection. Those nice 3.5mm TRS plugs and jacks makes it easy to blindly play.
The cable guide on the chirp wiki would be a good place to continue collecting information including voltage levels used for each radio.
Hope this helps, --Rob
Hi Aubrey So this cable has level converter built into it, or is a level converter not needed.
Randy VE3JPU@me.com
On Nov 21, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Aubrey Turner aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com wrote:
I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? --> http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version:
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well:
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote: Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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As far as I know, no additional equipment is required, at least with the USB cable. I don't think one is needed with the RS232, either, but I haven't used one.
--Aubrey
[Sent from my phone... please excuse any typos.] On Nov 21, 2013 7:00 PM, "Randy Elliott" ve3jpu@me.com wrote:
Hi Aubrey So this cable has level converter built into it, or is a level converter not needed.
Randy VE3JPU@me.com
On Nov 21, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Aubrey Turner aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com wrote:
I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? --> http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800-ft89...
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable-ft7800-ft8800...
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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Thank you and everyone else for all your help.
Randy VE3JPU@me.com
On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Aubrey Turner aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com wrote:
As far as I know, no additional equipment is required, at least with the USB cable. I don't think one is needed with the RS232, either, but I haven't used one.
--Aubrey
[Sent from my phone... please excuse any typos.]
On Nov 21, 2013 7:00 PM, "Randy Elliott" ve3jpu@me.com wrote: Hi Aubrey So this cable has level converter built into it, or is a level converter not needed.
Randy VE3JPU@me.com
On Nov 21, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Aubrey Turner aubrey.c.turner@gmail.com wrote:
I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? --> http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=106&e...
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need is the right cable. No need to build anything unless you are into tinkering with electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's a serial version:
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite well:
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can find better prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular because they use the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just works for people as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay often use cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific has booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with these cloned chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to work (i.e. load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At least this is the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the RS-232 version (as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also not an issue with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote: Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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A level shifter is required for RS-232. I used a homebrew copy of the Icom OPC-478 cable. This link has a schematic looks like the one I used. I can't find the original link at the moment. Of course you need to change the connector to a 6 pin mini din. I use mine with several Icoms and the 8800. http://www.qsl.net/vk3jeg/opc-478.html
73 Mike kc9doa
On 21 Nov 2013 at 19:44, Aubrey Turner wrote:
As far as I know, no additional equipment is required, at least with the USB cable. I don't think one is needed with the RS232, either, but I haven't used one.
--Aubrey
[Sent from my phone... please excuse any typos.] On Nov 21, 2013 7:00 PM, "Randy Elliott" ve3jpu@me.com wrote:
Hi Aubrey So this cable has level converter built into it, or is a
level converter
not needed.
Randy VE3JPU@me.com
On Nov 21, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Aubrey Turner
wrote:
I presume you are referring to the FT-8800R? -->
http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID= 106&encProdID=FD01F8F398F2B94A9C9F4299F3D18732&DivisionID=65&is Archived=0
If you are wanting to use CHIRP with this radio, all you need
is the right
cable. No need to build anything unless you are into
tinkering with
electronics, as there are plenty of them on the market.
If you are lucky enough to still have an RS-232 port, here's
a serial
version:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-programming-cable-ft780 0-ft8800-ft8900-p-218.html
If all you have is USB, here's one that should work quite
well:
http://www.valley-ent.com/catalog/yaesu-ftdi-programming-cable- ft7800-ft8800-feet-p-561.html
Note that the above cables are a little pricey, and you can
find better
prices on eBay. But I picked this vendor in particular
because they use
the FTDI chipset in their USB cables, which usually just
works for people
as soon as the driver is installed. The cheap cables on eBay
often use
cloned chips that are based on Prolific chips, and Prolific
has
booby-trapped the later versions of the driver to fail with
these cloned
chips, so you have to jump through some hoops to get them to
work (i.e.
load older drivers and disable automatic driver updates). At
least this is
the case with Windows and USB. This isn't an issue with the
RS-232 version
(as there is no need for a USB-to-serial chip). It's also
not an issue
with USB on with Mac or Linux.
On 11/21/2013 03:43 PM, Randy Elliott wrote:
Greetings to the group
Just wondering if anyone can point me in the direction to an
interface I can build to communicate chirp with a Yaesu 8800 mobile radio.
Randy Elliott
Email: ve3jpu@me.com
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