I think this breaks down to two problems - editing and uploading. The former one can be done as described - simply by editing the corresponding cells directly in chirp. CSV import (and export) is useful mainly for larger lists. Subsequently the modified memories can be uploaded via menu Radio -> Upload to radio (ctrl+u).

o/ rad0

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From: "Tom Hayward" tom@tomh.us To: "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Wednesday, 7 September, 2016 23:40:04 Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Programing a Kenwood thf6a

You're making it more complicated than it needs to be. After downloading, you can simply click on a frequency cell and type a new one. Hit enter and it'll be saved in the radio. Same goes for the tone mode and tone dropdown boxes.

If you *want* to use CSV (not required), you can use the File > Export and Import commands.

Tom KD7LXL

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Eric elanzl@sbcglobal.net wrote:

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Hello,

Can someone help me with using live mode programing. I downloaded from the radio. I understand that if I want to edit the memories I need to export to a CSV file. How do I get it back to the radio after the edit? Again with the live mode programing.

Thanks Eric wb9jnz

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interesting. Thanks for taking the time to explain and sorry for mystification :)

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From: "Tom Hayward" tom@tomh.us To: "Discussion of CHIRP" chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Thursday, 8 September, 2016 18:00:18 Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Programing a Kenwood thf6a

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:57 AM, awake awake@0324am.net wrote:

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useful mainly for larger lists. Subsequently the modified memories can be uploaded via menu Radio -> Upload to radio (ctrl+u).

This is not how it works on the TH-F6. The TH-F6 is a live mode radio, so as soon as you hit enter it's written to the radio. There is no upload option.

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Dave Zoller dzoller@reddevil.com wrote:

I just got a set of Baofeng BF-888S radios from Amazon and Chirp works like a dream for programming them. Unfortunately, I am a network administrator and know very little about which frequencies are and are not legal. We want the radios for short range comms in our manufacturing facility, which is not that large. I've set channel 1 to use FRS-08, 467.5625 MHz, which I think is legal. I haven't heard anyone else using it, but I'm in a fairly rural area so that doesn't surprise me. I also have it set on the lowest transmit power, which adequately covers the area I need covered.

I have some questions: Is that a good/safe/legal frequency to use? What would be some good alternative frequencies if I discover that another group uses this one? Will Chirp allow me to set all the channels to the same frequency so I can prevent these guys from using an illegal frequency? Is it a good to do that (or something like it)? Any other advice?

Hi Dave,

The BF-888S has Part 90 certification https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/reports/Tcb731GrantForm.cfm?mode=COPY&Req...

This means it's legal to use for commercial/industrial purposes with a Part 90 license. You can find out more about getting a license here: http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=service_home&id=industria...

The coordination and licensing process will determine which frequencies you are allowed to use. Once you have the license, you'll be able to program these frequencies with Chirp.

Tom KD7LXL

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Bob Burkett r.l.burkett@gmail.com wrote:

Dave, Here are links to some good info:

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/FRS/GMRS_combined_channel_chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Radio_Service

What Bob and I both forgot to mention is that the BF-888S is *not* certified for FRS use, so it won't be legal to transmit on these frequencies.

Tom KD7LXL

Thank you Steve, Bob & Tom, and to all others that read & reply.

I’ve tried to do the research, but there is so much that is intuitive to you all who have worked with radios so long that is confusing to me.

If I understand you & Tom (and what I’ve read) correctly: IF the BF-888S were certified for FMS, the frequency I choose would be okay to use? But the FCC has no way of knowing the actual model of radio used?

I guess that’s a moot point though, what’s right is right and what’s not…. it just isn’t.

Thanks,

Dave

From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wiggins Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:18 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Legal Frequencies?

Dave, thanks for your concern about operating in the correct frequency band for your communications needs. 467 Mhz is OUTSIDE the Amateur Radio assigned UHF portion of the radio spectrum, so you're good there. I would suggest that you look up that particular frequency on a search engine and see what results come back to you. But, I must warn you... The spectrum in America is highly regulated, and most likely, you are operating in a portion of the spectrum that is reserved for a particular radio service. Those who are licensed for their portion of the spectrum are highly protective and don't look kindly on interlopers. I can assure you that if somebody finds an UNLICENSED operator in the spectrum, they will turn the operator in to the FCC. The penalties can be very harsh.

If I were you, I would tread very carefully, as the spectrum is monitored closely by the FCC. So, just because a radio is capable of transmitting on a particular frequency, it has no bearing on the fact that you could be breaking the law when you key the transmitter. It's sort of like a car that can do a hundred MPH. Just because it can operate at that speed, you wouldn't want to try to do that on a city street.

I trust this helps.

Best wishes,

Steve Wiggins

AMATEUR EXTRA

W4GOK

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Dave Zoller dzoller@reddevil.com wrote:

I just got a set of Baofeng BF-888S radios from Amazon and Chirp works like a dream for programming them. Unfortunately, I am a network administrator and know very little about which frequencies are and are not legal. We want the radios for short range comms in our manufacturing facility, which is not that large. I've set channel 1 to use FRS-08, 467.5625 MHz, which I think is legal. I haven't heard anyone else using it, but I'm in a fairly rural area so that doesn't surprise me. I also have it set on the lowest transmit power, which adequately covers the area I need covered.

I have some questions: Is that a good/safe/legal frequency to use? What would be some good alternative frequencies if I discover that another group uses this one? Will Chirp allow me to set all the channels to the same frequency so I can prevent these guys from using an illegal frequency? Is it a good to do that (or something like it)? Any other advice?

Thanks in advance, -Dave

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If you use the frs freq. On low power nobody will notice unless someone talks to someone who come to check. To be on the safe side get a licence. To prevent playing lock the kb.

בתאריך 8 בספט' 2016 11:30 PM,‏ "Dave Zoller" dzoller@reddevil.com כתב:

Thank you Steve, Bob & Tom, and to all others that read & reply.

I’ve tried to do the research, but there is so much that is intuitive to you all who have worked with radios so long that is confusing to me.

If I understand you & Tom (and what I’ve read) correctly: IF the BF-888S were certified for FMS, the frequency I choose would be okay to use? But the FCC has no way of knowing the actual model of radio used?

I guess that’s a moot point though, what’s right is right and what’s not…. it just isn’t.

Thanks,

Dave

*From:* chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Wiggins *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:18 PM *To:* Discussion of CHIRP *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Legal Frequencies?

Dave, thanks for your concern about operating in the correct frequency band for your communications needs. 467 Mhz is OUTSIDE the Amateur Radio assigned UHF portion of the radio spectrum, so you're good there. I would suggest that you look up that particular frequency on a search engine and see what results come back to you. But, I must warn you... The spectrum in America is highly regulated, and most likely, you are operating in a portion of the spectrum that is reserved for a particular radio service. Those who are licensed for their portion of the spectrum are highly protective and don't look kindly on interlopers. I can assure you that if somebody finds an UNLICENSED operator in the spectrum, they will turn the operator in to the FCC. The penalties can be very harsh.

If I were you, I would tread very carefully, as the spectrum is monitored closely by the FCC. So, just because a radio is capable of transmitting on a particular frequency, it has no bearing on the fact that you could be breaking the law when you key the transmitter. It's sort of like a car that can do a hundred MPH. Just because it can operate at that speed, you wouldn't want to try to do that on a city street.

I trust this helps.

Best wishes,

Steve Wiggins

AMATEUR EXTRA

W4GOK

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Dave Zoller dzoller@reddevil.com wrote:

I just got a set of Baofeng BF-888S radios from Amazon and Chirp works like a dream for programming them. Unfortunately, I am a network administrator and know very little about which frequencies are and are not legal. We want the radios for short range comms in our manufacturing facility, which is not that large. I've set channel 1 to use FRS-08, 467.5625 MHz, which I think is legal. I haven't heard anyone else using it, but I'm in a fairly rural area so that doesn't surprise me. I also have it set on the lowest transmit power, which adequately covers the area I need covered.

I have some questions: Is that a good/safe/legal frequency to use? What would be some good alternative frequencies if I discover that another group uses this one? Will Chirp allow me to set all the channels to the same frequency so I can prevent these guys from using an illegal frequency? Is it a good to do that (or something like it)? Any other advice?

Thanks in advance, -Dave

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Check with www.miklor.com for discussions of legal uses.

Jardy Dawson WA7JRD Sent from the Death Star for Darth Vader's eyes only. Any other reception will be severely punished. 💀

On Sep 8, 2016, at 14:13, Drew from Zhrodague drewzhrodague@zhrodague.net wrote:

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On 9/8/16 4:37 PM, Amnon Zohar wrote: If you use the frs freq. On low power nobody will notice unless someone talks to someone who come to check. To be on the safe side get a licence. To prevent playing lock the kb.

One thing I will restate for just to be clear:

These Part-90 radios (Baofengs, etc) are not legal to be used for transmitting without a license, either for the business-band, or amateur radio.

I might suggest to get a set of GMRS radios (I like the Midland GXP-series). These radios also require a license, but you can go to the ULS system at http://fcc.gov and simply buy the license (<$80). GMRS radios are allowed to be used for business, whereas the Amateur Radio Service does not allow business use. I am not sure about FRS radios. _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Jardy at jardy72@yahoo.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com

"Type Acceptance" is the big concern, and the FCC'S way of imposing limits. IIRC, even if the channel width, emission type, signal width, modulation specs (% and freq limits)  are met, specific 'type acceptance' might still bite you in the butt. AFAIK, FRS does not require a licensed operator, but some of the FRS freqs are shared with GMRS and that service DOES require licensing.  FRS is also limited to PwrOut, and maybe even ERP, differing from GMRS.

I'm QRT on this topic now.

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On Sep 8, 2016, 13:30, at 13:30, Dave Zoller dzoller@reddevil.com wrote:

Thank you Steve, Bob & Tom, and to all others that read & reply.

I’ve tried to do the research, but there is so much that is intuitive to you all who have worked with radios so long that is confusing to me.

If I understand you & Tom (and what I’ve read) correctly: IF the BF-888S were certified for FMS, the frequency I choose would be okay to use? But the FCC has no way of knowing the actual model of radio used?

I guess that’s a moot point though, what’s right is right and what’s not…. it just isn’t.

Thanks,

Dave

From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Steve Wiggins Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 3:18 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Legal Frequencies?

Dave, thanks for your concern about operating in the correct frequency band for your communications needs. 467 Mhz is OUTSIDE the Amateur Radio assigned UHF portion of the radio spectrum, so you're good there. I would suggest that you look up that particular frequency on a search engine and see what results come back to you. But, I must warn you... The spectrum in America is highly regulated, and most likely, you are operating in a portion of the spectrum that is reserved for a particular radio service. Those who are licensed for their portion of the spectrum are highly protective and don't look kindly on interlopers. I can assure you that if somebody finds an UNLICENSED operator in the spectrum, they will turn the operator in to the FCC. The penalties can be very harsh.

If I were you, I would tread very carefully, as the spectrum is monitored closely by the FCC. So, just because a radio is capable of transmitting on a particular frequency, it has no bearing on the fact that you could be breaking the law when you key the transmitter. It's sort of like a car that can do a hundred MPH. Just because it can operate at that speed, you wouldn't want to try to do that on a city street.

I trust this helps.

Best wishes,

Steve Wiggins

AMATEUR EXTRA

W4GOK

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Dave Zoller dzoller@reddevil.com wrote:

I just got a set of Baofeng BF-888S radios from Amazon and Chirp works like a dream for programming them. Unfortunately, I am a network administrator and know very little about which frequencies are and are not legal. We want the radios for short range comms in our manufacturing facility, which is not that large. I've set channel 1 to use FRS-08, 467.5625 MHz, which I think is legal. I haven't heard anyone else using it, but I'm in a fairly rural area so that doesn't surprise me. I also have it set on the lowest transmit power, which adequately covers the area I need covered.

I have some questions: Is that a good/safe/legal frequency to use? What would be some good alternative frequencies if I discover that another group uses this one? Will Chirp allow me to set all the channels to the same frequency so I can prevent these guys from using an illegal frequency? Is it a good to do that (or something like it)? Any other advice?

Thanks in advance, -Dave

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On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Dave Zoller dzoller@reddevil.com wrote:

I just got a set of Baofeng BF-888S radios from Amazon and Chirp works like a dream for programming them. Unfortunately, I am a network administrator and know very little about which frequencies are and are not legal. We want the radios for short range comms in our manufacturing facility, which is not that large. I've set channel 1 to use FRS-08, 467.5625 MHz, which I think is legal. I haven't heard anyone else using it, but I'm in a fairly rural area so that doesn't surprise me. I also have it set on the lowest transmit power, which adequately covers the area I need covered.

I have some questions: Is that a good/safe/legal frequency to use? What would be some good alternative frequencies if I discover that another group uses this one? Will Chirp allow me to set all the channels to the same frequency so I can prevent these guys from using an illegal frequency? Is it a good to do that (or something like it)? Any other advice?

Thanks in advance, -Dave

Hi Dave,

Assuming that we are discussing use in the USA...

The BF-888s has been certified by the FCC for part 90 use. But only the radios that ship from the factory with a sticker applied that includes the FCC ID have this certification. Usually a radio with the sticker costs more than the same radio without one, so most (if not all) BF-888s radios sold in the USA do not have this needed sticker. Without a sticker, it is not certified for any service. In that case it can only be used by a licensed ham on frequencies authorized by FCC part 97 because certification for this type of equipment is not required.

Usually discussions of this type are frowned upon on this type of forum. I would be happy to discuss it further if you would contact me directly.

Jim KC9HI

Dan,

Please let me know of appropriate lists,

Thanks

On 9/8/2016 6:04 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

Hi all,

This topic has been hashed to death here and elsewhere. Since it's *massively* offtopic for CHIRP's global audience, I ask that we please stop this thread here. Every time we get on an off-topic thread like this I get a few complaints and a bunch of unsubscribes from the list.

I like beating dead horses as much as the next guy, but can we take that to an appropriate list?

Thanks :)

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