[chirp_users] chirp accessibility?
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
regards Bartek
GTK is, unfortunately, not accessible under Windows because there is no GTK bridge to Microsoft's accessibility APIs.
I can confirm, though, that CHIRP is quite accessible under Linux and Orca. I'm blind myself, and just a couple months ago submitted a patch to make Orca speak control labels in the settings screen. With CHIRP and Orca, I seem to have full access to tweak the settings on my Baofeng GT-3 without using its mostly inaccessible menu system.
If you'd rather not dedicate a full box to Linux just to run CHIRP accessibly, it may be possible to get a GNOME/Mate environment running on a single-board system like the RPi. I'm thinking of making such a system for programming the radio when away from my laptop.
As an aside, I'm wondering if CHIRP might ever get some sort of real-time control panel for live mode radios? This would make it plus an SBC a compelling replacement for devices like the hampod (http://hampod.com/.) I might take a crack at such a feature someday if it isn't out of scope. I'm imagining a separate tab alongside channels and settings for tweaking VFO, reading any exported radio stats, etc. I think there's a name for this functionality, but I forget what it is. I want to say CAT?
On 06/04/2018 01:28 PM, Bartek wrote:
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
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thanks for the information. I thought maybe there was a java access bridge that I do not know about. BTW: How do you recommend linux distributions? I install myself on an older computer, several benefits will come of this.
2018-06-04 20:53 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek nolan@thewordnerd.info:
GTK is, unfortunately, not accessible under Windows because there is no GTK bridge to Microsoft's accessibility APIs.
I can confirm, though, that CHIRP is quite accessible under Linux and Orca. I'm blind myself, and just a couple months ago submitted a patch to make Orca speak control labels in the settings screen. With CHIRP and Orca, I seem to have full access to tweak the settings on my Baofeng GT-3 without using its mostly inaccessible menu system.
If you'd rather not dedicate a full box to Linux just to run CHIRP accessibly, it may be possible to get a GNOME/Mate environment running on a single-board system like the RPi. I'm thinking of making such a system for programming the radio when away from my laptop.
As an aside, I'm wondering if CHIRP might ever get some sort of real-time control panel for live mode radios? This would make it plus an SBC a compelling replacement for devices like the hampod (http://hampod.com/.) I might take a crack at such a feature someday if it isn't out of scope. I'm imagining a separate tab alongside channels and settings for tweaking VFO, reading any exported radio stats, etc. I think there's a name for this functionality, but I forget what it is. I want to say CAT?
On 06/04/2018 01:28 PM, Bartek wrote:
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
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Of course, I mean the best distribution for a blind person.
2018-06-05 14:27 GMT+02:00, Bartek infosieciowe@gmail.com:
thanks for the information. I thought maybe there was a java access bridge that I do not know about. BTW: How do you recommend linux distributions? I install myself on an older computer, several benefits will come of this.
2018-06-04 20:53 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek nolan@thewordnerd.info:
GTK is, unfortunately, not accessible under Windows because there is no GTK bridge to Microsoft's accessibility APIs.
I can confirm, though, that CHIRP is quite accessible under Linux and Orca. I'm blind myself, and just a couple months ago submitted a patch to make Orca speak control labels in the settings screen. With CHIRP and Orca, I seem to have full access to tweak the settings on my Baofeng GT-3 without using its mostly inaccessible menu system.
If you'd rather not dedicate a full box to Linux just to run CHIRP accessibly, it may be possible to get a GNOME/Mate environment running on a single-board system like the RPi. I'm thinking of making such a system for programming the radio when away from my laptop.
As an aside, I'm wondering if CHIRP might ever get some sort of real-time control panel for live mode radios? This would make it plus an SBC a compelling replacement for devices like the hampod (http://hampod.com/.) I might take a crack at such a feature someday if it isn't out of scope. I'm imagining a separate tab alongside channels and settings for tweaking VFO, reading any exported radio stats, etc. I think there's a name for this functionality, but I forget what it is. I want to say CAT?
On 06/04/2018 01:28 PM, Bartek wrote:
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
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I use Fedora. They ship the latest GNOME with minimal drama (I.e. no Orca packages that change how it retrieves settings.) For CHIRP I maintain a Flatpak package, though it's a couple dailys behind at the moment. Should probably upgrade that today.
On 06/05/2018 07:27 AM, Bartek wrote:
thanks for the information. I thought maybe there was a java access bridge that I do not know about. BTW: How do you recommend linux distributions? I install myself on an older computer, several benefits will come of this.
2018-06-04 20:53 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek nolan@thewordnerd.info:
GTK is, unfortunately, not accessible under Windows because there is no GTK bridge to Microsoft's accessibility APIs.
I can confirm, though, that CHIRP is quite accessible under Linux and Orca. I'm blind myself, and just a couple months ago submitted a patch to make Orca speak control labels in the settings screen. With CHIRP and Orca, I seem to have full access to tweak the settings on my Baofeng GT-3 without using its mostly inaccessible menu system.
If you'd rather not dedicate a full box to Linux just to run CHIRP accessibly, it may be possible to get a GNOME/Mate environment running on a single-board system like the RPi. I'm thinking of making such a system for programming the radio when away from my laptop.
As an aside, I'm wondering if CHIRP might ever get some sort of real-time control panel for live mode radios? This would make it plus an SBC a compelling replacement for devices like the hampod (http://hampod.com/.) I might take a crack at such a feature someday if it isn't out of scope. I'm imagining a separate tab alongside channels and settings for tweaking VFO, reading any exported radio stats, etc. I think there's a name for this functionality, but I forget what it is. I want to say CAT?
On 06/04/2018 01:28 PM, Bartek wrote:
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
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With no GUI would these work good on a Raspberry PI?
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On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Nolan Darilek nolan@thewordnerd.info wrote:
I use Fedora. They ship the latest GNOME with minimal drama (I.e. no Orca packages that change how it retrieves settings.) For CHIRP I maintain a Flatpak package, though it's a couple dailys behind at the moment. Should probably upgrade that today.
On 06/05/2018 07:27 AM, Bartek wrote:
thanks for the information. I thought maybe there was a java access bridge that I do not know about. BTW: How do you recommend linux distributions? I install myself on an older computer, several benefits will come of this.
2018-06-04 20:53 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek nolan@thewordnerd.info:
GTK is, unfortunately, not accessible under Windows because there is no GTK bridge to Microsoft's accessibility APIs.
I can confirm, though, that CHIRP is quite accessible under Linux and Orca. I'm blind myself, and just a couple months ago submitted a patch to make Orca speak control labels in the settings screen. With CHIRP and Orca, I seem to have full access to tweak the settings on my Baofeng GT-3 without using its mostly inaccessible menu system.
If you'd rather not dedicate a full box to Linux just to run CHIRP accessibly, it may be possible to get a GNOME/Mate environment running on a single-board system like the RPi. I'm thinking of making such a system for programming the radio when away from my laptop.
As an aside, I'm wondering if CHIRP might ever get some sort of real-time control panel for live mode radios? This would make it plus an SBC a compelling replacement for devices like the hampod (http://hampod.com/.) I might take a crack at such a feature someday if it isn't out of scope. I'm imagining a separate tab alongside channels and settings for tweaking VFO, reading any exported radio stats, etc. I think there's a name for this functionality, but I forget what it is. I want to say CAT?
On 06/04/2018 01:28 PM, Bartek wrote:
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
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Nolan, thank you very much for your help. I installed Ubuntu Mate on the old laptop, and actually the chirp works and is accessible.it is a bit problematic, but a better solution than none.
at least man will learn some new things - eg orca.
I thank you once again for good support.
2018-06-04 20:53 GMT+02:00, Nolan Darilek nolan@thewordnerd.info:
GTK is, unfortunately, not accessible under Windows because there is no GTK bridge to Microsoft's accessibility APIs.
I can confirm, though, that CHIRP is quite accessible under Linux and Orca. I'm blind myself, and just a couple months ago submitted a patch to make Orca speak control labels in the settings screen. With CHIRP and Orca, I seem to have full access to tweak the settings on my Baofeng GT-3 without using its mostly inaccessible menu system.
If you'd rather not dedicate a full box to Linux just to run CHIRP accessibly, it may be possible to get a GNOME/Mate environment running on a single-board system like the RPi. I'm thinking of making such a system for programming the radio when away from my laptop.
As an aside, I'm wondering if CHIRP might ever get some sort of real-time control panel for live mode radios? This would make it plus an SBC a compelling replacement for devices like the hampod (http://hampod.com/.) I might take a crack at such a feature someday if it isn't out of scope. I'm imagining a separate tab alongside channels and settings for tweaking VFO, reading any exported radio stats, etc. I think there's a name for this functionality, but I forget what it is. I want to say CAT?
On 06/04/2018 01:28 PM, Bartek wrote:
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
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I think it's going to stay that way. It is unlikely that the developers have any interest in making it accessible. Although, it would certainly be more easily done with NVDA than JAWS. DE WA4WGA
-----Original Message----- From: Bartek Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 14:28 To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: [chirp_users] chirp accessibility?
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
regards Bartek _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Ray T. Mahorney at mahorney.r.t@googlemail.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com
Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA
Good morning Bartek.
I haven't seen anyone answer you yet. So I'll jump in here with what I know, perhaps it will be useful.
I haven't any experience with using screen readers, never gave it any thought. I only know of one blind ham, and I really have very little contact with him. We served together in the Army, but even then we were only acquainted in passing, we did not work together. So I have no idea what he does for radio programming.
This is what I do know, and I just E-mailed the Tech support to verify it. R T Systems software is NVDA compatible. I have several of their various radio programming cables and programs, and I think they are great. Their cables always work, no worries about the next windows update killing the cable. And their Tech Support is just 100%. They will even remote into your computer to check and repair if you experience problems.
Hope you find this helpful.
Vy73 -- Mike -- KD5KC.
-----Original Message----- From: Bartek Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 14:28 To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: [chirp_users] chirp accessibility?
Hello, I have a question about the accessibility of the program for people using a screen reader. (e.g., NVDA). Does anyone have any experience in this matter? I have pre-tested but the program is completely inaccessible. it's about windows10.
I am looking for a software for a blind person to be able to program the radio myself.
regards Bartek _______________________________________________
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