Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 109, Issue 10
On 10/01/18 20:00, chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com wrote:
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Like my Mother always said, "If you do not have anything nice to say, do not talk at all". I'm astonished on how bad some forums treat newbees. Yes, it gets old sometimes answering the same basic question many times, But giving a rude answer will only keep others from seeking help. Do we want the hobby to grow. or wither away as we all get old?
The only problem there, is if the same lame question is being asked time and time and time again, then there is something seriously missing in the instructions, documentation or help files.
More often than not, it's the creators of an application or package, that create that documentation (initially at least) but it's plain as the nose on our faces, that often they are "too close" to it all, to realise that some small but critical detail that is plain and obvious to them, is total smoke and mirrors to other people.
As always, the devil is in the detail. In this case, my impression is that the documentation explaining the programming interface lead/hardware is often seriously lacking. Not helped any by the radio manufacturers in some cases, and the plethora of other sites on the inter-web, that often have conflicting information.
73.
Dave G0WBX. (Who in the past has been, and will probably again be the noob who's been flamed for asking "dumb" questions. Plus at other times guilty as charged of the curt one liners. We've all done it I suspect. Hopefully I wont any more.)
When I need help, I go to the best place to get it, this forum. I don’t want to read and read and research to get my answer. From my point of view I need help. From other’s point of view I’m stupid because I don’t know it and they do. Therefore they feel obligated to point out my deficiencies in a cruel way. Maybe it’s a “I’m better than you” syndrome. All this negativity has been learned by engaging in social media activity which in itself can become ugly. People can be bad, bad, bad. If it’s a lame redundant question, just ignore it! This is not the place for this – but I had to say somethin’, but never again.
From: Dave B via chirp_users Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:37 AM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 109, Issue 10
On 10/01/18 20:00, chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Concurrance To: Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: mailto:CAJfKeYDxStkmLEqnoaWB=zUyY7QiJLPZM=c_Y4prqzVho=E4vQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Like my Mother always said, "If you do not have anything nice to say, do not talk at all". I'm astonished on how bad some forums treat newbees. Yes, it gets old sometimes answering the same basic question many times, But giving a rude answer will only keep others from seeking help. Do we want the hobby to grow. or wither away as we all get old? The only problem there, is if the same lame question is being asked time and time and time again, then there is something seriously missing in the instructions, documentation or help files.
More often than not, it's the creators of an application or package, that create that documentation (initially at least) but it's plain as the nose on our faces, that often they are "too close" to it all, to realise that some small but critical detail that is plain and obvious to them, is total smoke and mirrors to other people.
As always, the devil is in the detail. In this case, my impression is that the documentation explaining the programming interface lead/hardware is often seriously lacking. Not helped any by the radio manufacturers in some cases, and the plethora of other sites on the inter-web, that often have conflicting information.
73.
Dave G0WBX. (Who in the past has been, and will probably again be the noob who's been flamed for asking "dumb" questions. Plus at other times guilty as charged of the curt one liners. We've all done it I suspect. Hopefully I wont any more.)
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Half the problem is that people ask the wrong question and then get upset when they receive the correct answer rather than the answer to the question they should have asked.
On 11 January 2018 at 10:32 Skip rockyvista@windstream.net wrote:
When I need help, I go to the best place to get it, this forum. I don’t want to read and read and research to get my answer. From my point of view I need help. From other’s point of view I’m stupid because I don’t know it and they do. Therefore they feel obligated to point out my deficiencies in a cruel way. Maybe it’s a “I’m better than you” syndrome. All this negativity has been learned by engaging in social media activity which in itself can become ugly. People can be bad, bad, bad. If it’s a lame redundant question, just ignore it! This is not the place for this – but I had to say somethin’, but never again. From: Dave B via chirp_users mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 1:37 AM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] chirp_users Digest, Vol 109, Issue 10 On 10/01/18 20:00, chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-request@intrepid.danplanet.com wrote: > >Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Concurrance To: Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: mailto:CAJfKeYDxStkmLEqnoaWB=zUyY7QiJLPZM=c_Y4prqzVho=E4vQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Like my Mother always said, "If you do not have anything nice to say, do not talk at all". I'm astonished on how bad some forums treat newbees. Yes, it gets old sometimes answering the same basic question many times, But giving a rude answer will only keep others from seeking help. Do we want the hobby to grow. or wither away as we all get old? > The only problem there, is if the same lame question is being asked time and time and time again, then there is something seriously missing in the instructions, documentation or help files.More often than not, it's the creators of an application or package, that create that documentation (initially at least) but it's plain as the nose on our faces, that often they are "too close" to it all, to realise that some small but critical detail that is plain and obvious to them, is total smoke and mirrors to other people. As always, the devil is in the detail. In this case, my impression is that the documentation explaining the programming interface lead/hardware is often seriously lacking. Not helped any by the radio manufacturers in some cases, and the plethora of other sites on the inter-web, that often have conflicting information. 73. Dave G0WBX. (Who in the past has been, and will probably again be the noob who's been flamed for asking "dumb" questions. Plus at other times guilty as charged of the curt one liners. We've all done it I suspect. Hopefully I wont any more.) --------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Skip at rockyvista@windstream.net To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com
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