[chirp_users] cloning cable wiring diagram
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers!
(Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless.
Anybody using this cable would want to make sure both radios have the same firmware, otherwise you take a chance on bricking at least the receiving rig.
Jardy Dawson WA7JRD Message sent through sub space hailing frequencies using the Universal Translator.
On Sep 15, 2018, at 13:17, Peter ptlambert@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends. I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers! (Peter) P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless.
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Yes, you would want to clone between radios of the same model and firmware, otherwise you will likely have issues on the target radio ranging from minor to severe. But cloning between dissimilar radios is probably not the only way to mess up a radio. And in any case, I am only providing the pinout on this particular cable.
I have a few Baofeng UV-82HP radios, and a gaggle of 888s walkie-talkies. When I finally get around to attempting clones (between the same models, of course), I will post an update with any unfavorable outcome here.
(Peter)
On 9/15/2018 1:29 PM, Jardy via chirp_users wrote:
Anybody using this cable would want to make sure both radios have the same firmware, otherwise you take a chance on bricking at least the receiving rig.
Jardy Dawson WA7JRD Message sent through sub space hailing frequencies using the Universal Translator.
On Sep 15, 2018, at 13:17, Peter <ptlambert@sbcglobal.net mailto:ptlambert@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com http://Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers!
(Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless.
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Save a copy of each radio setup so you have to fall back on, just in case.
Jardy Dawson WA7JRD Message sent through sub space hailing frequencies using the Universal Translator.
On Sep 15, 2018, at 13:38, Peter ptlambert@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Yes, you would want to clone between radios of the same model and firmware, otherwise you will likely have issues on the target radio ranging from minor to severe. But cloning between dissimilar radios is probably not the only way to mess up a radio. And in any case, I am only providing the pinout on this particular cable.
I have a few Baofeng UV-82HP radios, and a gaggle of 888s walkie-talkies. When I finally get around to attempting clones (between the same models, of course), I will post an update with any unfavorable outcome here.
(Peter)
On 9/15/2018 1:29 PM, Jardy via chirp_users wrote: Anybody using this cable would want to make sure both radios have the same firmware, otherwise you take a chance on bricking at least the receiving rig.
Jardy Dawson WA7JRD Message sent through sub space hailing frequencies using the Universal Translator.
On Sep 15, 2018, at 13:17, Peter <ptlambert@sbcglobal.net mailto:ptlambert@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com http://Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers!
(Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless.
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On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Peter ptlambert@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Yes, you would want to clone between radios of the same model and firmware, otherwise you will likely have issues on the target radio ranging from minor to severe. But cloning between dissimilar radios is probably not the only way to mess up a radio. And in any case, I am only providing the pinout on this particular cable.
I have a few Baofeng UV-82HP radios, and a gaggle of 888s walkie-talkies. When I finally get around to attempting clones (between the same models, of course), I will post an update with any unfavorable outcome here.
You won't be able to use this cable on a UV-82HP or a BF-888s. Modern Baofeng radios no longer have the radio-to-radio cloning ability. Back when the N5R/N82 type of firmware was released for UV-5R/UV82 style radios, the memory layout was changed> Baofeng removed the radio-to-radio cloning feature to prevent cloning between incompatible radios. That's also why the covering radio-to-radio cloning was removed from the miklor.com website.
The BF-888s never had the radio-to-radio cloning ability.
To use that cable you will need a Baofeng model with an LCD display manufactured before the end of 2014 that when powered up with the [MONI] key pressed displays "COPING" or "COPYING".
Jim KC9HI
Thanks Jim, that's very useful info. I'd read of some folks having issues even starting a clone on the UV-82HP and now I know why. As to the BF-888s, I'd never heard of anyone trying to use a clone cable, but I was up for the adventure. Guess I will need to find more exciting things to do. :@)
So now I have a clone cable that I can't really use, and we have a pinout diagram for same... But at least all this is now in the record for posterity's sake.
Cheers!
(Peter)
On 9/16/2018 9:07 AM, Jim Unroe wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Peter ptlambert@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Yes, you would want to clone between radios of the same model and firmware, otherwise you will likely have issues on the target radio ranging from minor to severe. But cloning between dissimilar radios is probably not the only way to mess up a radio. And in any case, I am only providing the pinout on this particular cable.
I have a few Baofeng UV-82HP radios, and a gaggle of 888s walkie-talkies. When I finally get around to attempting clones (between the same models, of course), I will post an update with any unfavorable outcome here.
You won't be able to use this cable on a UV-82HP or a BF-888s. Modern Baofeng radios no longer have the radio-to-radio cloning ability. Back when the N5R/N82 type of firmware was released for UV-5R/UV82 style radios, the memory layout was changed> Baofeng removed the radio-to-radio cloning feature to prevent cloning between incompatible radios. That's also why the covering radio-to-radio cloning was removed from the miklor.com website.
The BF-888s never had the radio-to-radio cloning ability.
To use that cable you will need a Baofeng model with an LCD display manufactured before the end of 2014 that when powered up with the [MONI] key pressed displays "COPING" or "COPYING".
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Actually, this information is very much appreciated, and will be added to the Miklor site. Please email your callsign to me, Peter, so I can give you credit for the graphic? As this is off topic for this forum, please forward correspondence to the email below so we can close this thread.
Many thanks, John http://www.miklor.com
Alpha @ Miklor.com
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:18 PM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: [chirp_users] cloning cable wiring diagram
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers!
(Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless.
Why is this off topic?
Dennis M. Wage (W9BOQ)
245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://overdubs.net
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:57 PM John La Johnla@usa.net wrote:
Actually, this information is very much appreciated, and will be added to the Miklor site. Please email your callsign to me, Peter, so I can give you credit for the graphic? As this is off topic for this forum, please forward correspondence to the email below so we can close this thread.
Many thanks, John http://www.miklor.com
Alpha @ Miklor.com
*From:* chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:18 PM *To:* chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Subject:* [chirp_users] cloning cable wiring diagram
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers!
(Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless. _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Dennis Wage at dwage@dwage.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com
I believe John is referring to the fact that this list is for Discussion of CHIRP, which assumes use of a true _programming_ cable with that software -- as opposed to direct clones between radios, using the clone copy cable that is admittedly the off-topic subject of this thread.
Thanks all for you input!
Separate email on it's way to you John...
(Peter)
On 9/16/2018 9:32 PM, Dennis Wage wrote:
Why is this off topic?
Dennis M. Wage (W9BOQ)
245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://hammondb3organ.net/ http://overdubs.net
On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:57 PM John La <Johnla@usa.net mailto:Johnla@usa.net> wrote:
Actually, this information is very much appreciated, and will be added to the Miklor site. Please email your callsign to me, Peter, so I can give you credit for the graphic? As this is off topic for this forum, please forward correspondence to the email below so we can close this thread. Many thanks, John http://www.miklor.com Alpha @ Miklor.com
Thanx for the post Peter I myself was searching for a diagram!!Now i found my fault in my cable!! Cheers
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2018 at 22:20, Peterptlambert@sbcglobal.net wrote: I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers!
(Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless.
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Danger Will Robinson!!! Do not do this on Baofeng radios! Other brands should be okay--- read on for the reason and get ready to laugh.
A tech at a large 2 way radio shop in NorCal told me what happens when you cable clone Baofeng radios.
So, on a Motorola, Icom, Kenwood, etc, there are soft pot values for things like frequency compensation, audio levels, etc. These are stored in separate memory areas from the "codeplug" / "personality" data and are only normally accessed by a special menu in the programming software.
When you use the cable cloning, certain values get copied and clobber those on the target radio. What's worse, sometimes they get corrupted in the process.
They had a correctional institution come to them for help after they'd bought dozens of these things and run them through the megabit Mixmaster. The end result.... Deviation either nonexistent on transmit or slammed 50+ kilocycles wide.... Radios up to 200k off frequency... The customer complaint was that their repeater wasn't hearing the radios though there were a few pairs of radios that would still talk simplex to each other.
They to e-waste the whole lot as there were no saved files from these things to recover from.
I couldn't tell you if firmware mismatch was involved but it would not surprise me at all.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 1:18 PM Peter ptlambert@sbcglobal.net wrote:
I recently ordered this TENQ "cloning" cable from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MK02BX2
This cable has Kenwood style connectors (3.5mm TRS & 2.5mm TRS) on each end, for radio-to-radio configuration copy between Baofeng, Wouxun, and "any two-pin style radio with a Kenwood Baofeng plug".
I wanted to verify the pinout before adding it to my radio bag. So I spent several hours scouring the Internet for a wiring diagram for such a cable, but with no success. Even simple pinout descriptions were somewhat vague ("back-to-back", etc.). So I ultimately buzzed out the cable with a DVM, tabulated the results, and mocked up a JPEG diagram based on an image that originally came from Miklor.com. See attached for the finished product. The diagram shows that the cable basically has Data Tx from one end connected to Data Rx on the other and vice-versa, with Data Ground connected between both ends.
I wanted to submit this to John for possible inclusion on his site, but I don't see any contact form there. I do know that he posts to this list so here I am... John, if you are interested, feel free to re-post wherever you'd like, maybe here?
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php
Cheers! (Peter)
P.S. I do understand that this list is for CHIRP issues, hence any cable discussion would normally be limited to "programming" cables, e.g. Kenwood to USB with a suitable integrated controller chip. However, I am thinking that this info might be useful to some folks here regardless. _______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Tom KG4CYX at blueneon@gmail.com To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com
On 9/18/2018 5:46 PM, Tom Morris wrote:
They [had] to e-waste the whole lot as there were no saved files from these things to recover from.
Oops!
I couldn't tell you if firmware mismatch was involved but it would not surprise me at all.
Reading through the various commits in the Mercurial repository I see that CHIRP pays special attention to values in firmware that aren't correctly initialized, are found in unexpected memory addresses, etc.
This issue is probably one reason why BaoFeng has basically made it _not_ possible to cable clone with the latest firmware on their newest models -- see Jim's earlier post to this thread.
I did try to use this cable to clone between a couple of UV-82HP units but (as Jim warned) it would not happen with the newer firmware. The master unit would never begin the "COPYING" mode.
I also tried to clone between a couple of BF-888s Plus units (similar to the Retevis RT7). These cost me a whole $13 new per unit, and at that price I could afford to brick both the master and slave in the interests of Science. :^) But these units have no LCD screen and as far as I could tell they never entered into cloning mode either. (Jim also stated that clone copying was limited to models that had an LCD screen.)
I do think these cables could be still useful for setting up two devices in repeater mode. Or just cutting in half to use for other projects as Bill suggested.
John has graciously posted the pinout diagram and Jim's advice to his "Hardware / Technical" page, at the bottom of the "Programming / Cloning Cable" section, here: http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php#progcable
I do think these cables could be still useful for setting up two devices in repeater mode. Or just cutting in half to use for other projects as Bill suggested.
You have to remember that these cables only have the 3 wires necessary for cloning (data in, data out an ground). They do not have wires for speaker audio or microphone audio. Their use would be pretty much limited to making programming cables with USB-to-TTL modules or similar purposes.
http://www.miklor.com/COM/UV_Technical.php#progcable
When I cut my cloning cable into 2 pieces to make programming cables (that's what I bought it for), I found the wire gage was too small and fragile for me to work with.
Jim KC9HI
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