[chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER *NEVER* Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something *YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR*!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.digitaltrends.com/computing/decrypt-one-box...
David
On Jan 29, 2018 8:05 AM, "Chuck Hast" kp4djt@gmail.com wrote:
David, thanks to people like you, I’ve been having job security for 30 years, despite trying to work myself out of a job. ☹ Your advice is dangerous and I recommend ANYONE following it who does get infected based on following your advice to take you to court for damages.
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:19 AM To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.digitaltrends.com/computing/decrypt-one-box...
David
On Jan 29, 2018 8:05 AM, "Chuck Hast" <kp4djt@gmail.com mailto:kp4djt@gmail.com > wrote:
Amen brother
Norton, McAfee, etc, all = Trojan
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:53 AM, Dave B via chirp_users <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > wrote:
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER NEVER Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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Never heard telling someone to use common sense as being bad advice. But then, taking personal responsibility for ones actions seems to be going by the wayside. The rule today is to blame someone else and then sue them. Based on your comments, that seems to be your mindset. -------- Original message --------From: "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org Date: 1/29/18 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc. David, thanks to people like you, I’ve been having job security for 30 years, despite trying to work myself out of a job. ☹ Your advice is dangerous and I recommend ANYONE following it who does get infected based on following your advice to take you to court for damages.
Common sense INCLUDES using the tools designed to protect your system, witch included Host Security, AKA Anti-Virus, and since you mentioned “Common Sense” perhaps reviewing the rules I wrote several years (over 10) ago might help you http://teamanti-virus.org/rules.html
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:35 AM To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Never heard telling someone to use common sense as being bad advice. But then, taking personal responsibility for ones actions seems to be going by the wayside. The rule today is to blame someone else and then sue them. Based on your comments, that seems to be your mindset.
-------- Original message --------
From: "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org >
Date: 1/29/18 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
David, thanks to people like you, I’ve been having job security for 30 years, despite trying to work myself out of a job. ☹ Your advice is dangerous and I recommend ANYONE following it who does get infected based on following your advice to take you to court for damages.
Excuse me I thought this was about chirp. These guys give you a basically free program and then you rant about Mal ware. Has anybody made a donation, to help keep a great piece of software going?
On Jan 29, 2018 9:00 AM, "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" < kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org> wrote:
It is about CHIRP, but when there is Dangerously inaccurate information going about, it is my duty to dispel misinformation. For the initial information, I HAVE supported CHIPR and reported a false positive to researchers mailing lists that include people who support Symantec, McAfee, F-Secure, Kaspersky, Microsoft and other major and minor manufacturers.
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Sides Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 11:59 AM To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Excuse me I thought this was about chirp. These guys give you a basically free program and then you rant about Mal ware. Has anybody made a donation, to help keep a great piece of software going?
On Jan 29, 2018 9:00 AM, "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org > wrote:
Common sense INCLUDES using the tools designed to protect your system, witch included Host Security, AKA Anti-Virus, and since you mentioned “Common Sense” perhaps reviewing the rules I wrote several years (over 10) ago might help you http://teamanti-virus.org/rules.html
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com ] On Behalf Of John Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:35 AM To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Never heard telling someone to use common sense as being bad advice. But then, taking personal responsibility for ones actions seems to be going by the wayside. The rule today is to blame someone else and then sue them. Based on your comments, that seems to be your mindset.
-------- Original message --------
From: "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" <kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org >
Date: 1/29/18 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com >
Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
David, thanks to people like you, I’ve been having job security for 30 years, despite trying to work myself out of a job. ☹ Your advice is dangerous and I recommend ANYONE following it who does get infected based on following your advice to take you to court for damages.
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Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org Date: 1/29/18 10:59 (GMT-05:00) To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc. Common sense INCLUDES using the tools designed to protect your system, witch included Host Security, AKA Anti-Virus, and since you mentioned “Common Sense” perhaps reviewing the rules I wrote several years (over 10) ago might help you http://teamanti-virus.org/rules.html%C2%A0From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of John Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:35 AM To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc. Never heard telling someone to use common sense as being bad advice. But then, taking personal responsibility for ones actions seems to be going by the wayside. The rule today is to blame someone else and then sue them. Based on your comments, that seems to be your mindset. -------- Original message --------From: "Kenneth L. Bechtel, II" kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org Date: 1/29/18 9:55 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc. David, thanks to people like you, I’ve been having job security for 30 years, despite trying to work myself out of a job. ☹ Your advice is dangerous and I recommend ANYONE following it who does get infected based on following your advice to take you to court for damages.
Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political parties!
As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the following questions :
Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal information? *Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing is free except risk. *Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you didn't want *Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional will always get you). *Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
</RANT>
Dennis Smith M1DLG
On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users < chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> wrote:
As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work. Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices, but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK can you know you’re not infected if you haven’t even checked your system. That’s like saying I’m healthy because a doctor hasn’t told me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven’t been told I haven’t seen a doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along with I don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
Team Anti-Virus
Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
email - kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org |Founding Member AVIEN
PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52 AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Smith Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM To: Dave B g8kbv@uku.co.uk; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political parties!
As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the following questions :
Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal information?
*Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing is free except risk.
*Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you didn't want
*Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional will always get you).
*Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
</RANT>
Dennis Smith
M1DLG
On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > wrote:
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER NEVER Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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Gentlemen,
Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
Thank You,
-- Michael Birch KD9BDL Grid: EN53la
On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
here here, it does seem rather biased rubbish coming from someone who claims to work at a av company too..... Nortons crap, MSE works. end of.
anyone got to the bottom of the leixon 898
issues as my post got swamped with other noise i think....
73's
________________________________ From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com on behalf of Tom Henderson Tom@Henderson4.us Sent: 29 January 2018 17:44 To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
I second that. Somewhere there must be an email list just for twerps who want to debate Antivirus protection strategy, and it's calling your names.
Tom Henderson
On 01/29/2018 11:25 AM, Mike Birch wrote:
Gentlemen,
Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
Thank You,
-- Michael Birch KD9BDL Grid: EN53la
On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work. Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices, but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK can you know you’re not infected if you haven’t even checked your system. That’s like saying I’m healthy because a doctor hasn’t told me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven’t been told I haven’t seen a doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along with I don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
Team Anti-Virus
Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
email - kbechtel@teamanti-virus.orgmailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org |Founding Member AVIEN
PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52 AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.commailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Smith Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM To: Dave B g8kbv@uku.co.ukmailto:g8kbv@uku.co.uk; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.commailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political parties!
As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the following questions :
Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal information?
*Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing is free except risk.
*Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you didn't want
*Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional will always get you).
*Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
</RANT>
Dennis Smith
M1DLG
On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.commailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> wrote:
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER NEVER Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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I have worked for several anti-virus companies in the past, and do not see where I mentioned any product at all, and deliberately keep my advice neutral on products to use. I do not promote my corporate interests outside the official channels, when I disclose information it's generic in nature, similar to a medical doctor, since every case is different. As for product effectiveness, there are also mailing lists and websites devoted to that, none of that is what this list is devoted to.
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Neil B Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:50 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
here here, it does seem rather biased rubbish coming from someone who claims to work at a av company too..... Nortons crap, MSE works. end of.
anyone got to the bottom of the leixon 898
issues as my post got swamped with other noise i think....
73's
_____
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com <chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com > on behalf of Tom Henderson <Tom@Henderson4.us mailto:Tom@Henderson4.us > Sent: 29 January 2018 17:44 To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
I second that. Somewhere there must be an email list just for twerps who want to debate Antivirus protection strategy, and it's calling your names.
Tom Henderson
On 01/29/2018 11:25 AM, Mike Birch wrote:
Gentlemen,
Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
Thank You,
-- Michael Birch KD9BDL Grid: EN53la
On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I've come across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work. Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices, but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK can you know you're not infected if you haven't even checked your system. That's like saying I'm healthy because a doctor hasn't told me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven't been told I haven't seen a doctor in 10 years. It's advice such as this (along with I don't run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
Team Anti-Virus
Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
email - kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org |Founding Member AVIEN
PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52 AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Smith Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM To: Dave B mailto:g8kbv@uku.co.uk g8kbv@uku.co.uk; Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political parties!
As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the following questions :
Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal information?
*Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing is free except risk.
*Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you didn't want
*Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional will always get you).
*Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
</RANT>
Dennis Smith
M1DLG
On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > wrote:
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER NEVER Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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Sorry you feel that way. Yes, there are multiple lists on the subject, I’ve established some of them, but when dangerously inaccurate information is spread, I do have a professional duty to dispel that, especially in a list where not everyone is knowledgeable on the subject.
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Tom Henderson Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:44 PM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
I second that. Somewhere there must be an email list just for twerps who want to debate Antivirus protection strategy, and it's calling your names.
Tom Henderson
On 01/29/2018 11:25 AM, Mike Birch wrote:
Gentlemen,
Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
Thank You,
-- Michael Birch KD9BDL Grid: EN53la
On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work. Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices, but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK can you know you’re not infected if you haven’t even checked your system. That’s like saying I’m healthy because a doctor hasn’t told me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven’t been told I haven’t seen a doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along with I don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
Team Anti-Virus
Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
email - kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org |Founding Member AVIEN
PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52 AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Smith Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM To: Dave B mailto:g8kbv@uku.co.uk g8kbv@uku.co.uk; Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political parties!
As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the following questions :
Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal information?
*Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing is free except risk.
*Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you didn't want
*Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional will always get you).
*Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
</RANT>
Dennis Smith
M1DLG
On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > wrote:
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER NEVER Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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My apologies, I never intended to hijack, but it is my professional duties to dispel hype and misinformation about my career field whenever possible.
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Mike Birch Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:26 PM To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Gentlemen,
Would you please take your OT "holy war/debate" about antivirus software someplace other than the [chirp_users] list....
Your current discussion thread has NOTHING to do with CHIRP.
Thank You,
-- Michael Birch KD9BDL Grid: EN53la
On 1/29/2018 8:53 AM, Kenneth L. Bechtel, II wrote:
As someone who has been researching and fighting Viruses/ Malware for 30 years, this is the most IGNORANT, DANGEROUS advice that I’ve come across lately. This is in no way shape or form how AV products work. Yes, I preach the most effective tools are basic security practices, but those practices include the proper defensive tools. HOW THE HECK can you know you’re not infected if you haven’t even checked your system. That’s like saying I’m healthy because a doctor hasn’t told me I have high blood pressure, and since I haven’t been told I haven’t seen a doctor in 10 years. It’s advice such as this (along with I don’t run av because I run a Mac/Linux and there is nothing targeting them). Please Leave the defensive advice to the professionals who KNOW what they are talking about, thank you
Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
Team Anti-Virus
Phone: 717-473-0839 |Member AVAR
email - kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org mailto:kbechtel@teamanti-virus.org |Founding Member AVIEN
PGP Footprint: 969E 2A27 3042 EE52 AEFB 6FF0 2711 9467 D38C 5C0F
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Smith Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 9:37 AM To: Dave B mailto:g8kbv@uku.co.uk g8kbv@uku.co.uk; Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] [OT] Re: Problems with Norton etc.
Dump 3rd party AV suites and use the OS provided AV tools. In order for antivirus software to work, it needs to install hooks into the OS, introducing weaknesses into the OS that were not there before. For an AV to work they need to do all the things a virus does such as man in the middle attacks EG reading your communications, even secured communications. The OS developers know where the right places to install it's own AV without weakening the OS.
It's hard to know where a virus ends and the AV starts because they both do the same thing to get installed starting with the similar social and psychological tricks to get you to install them. And once installed they both use these same tricks (but in different ways) to make you keep them installed, or to prevent uninstallation. A bit like different political parties!
As previously mentions, the best AV is UNcommon sense! Think before you click, ask the following questions :
Who gains from this? Is there ulterior motive such as gaining personal information?
*Did I ask for this? Unsolicited files or offers are not free, nothing is free except risk.
*Do I want this? -- Does the file come with an anything extra you didn't want
*Why are they asking me for this? -- EG do they need my credit card number? All I need in some cases is a name, half a telephone number or postcode/town name and I can with reasonable certainty find someone and dig really deep in to their personal life (I had to do this for a job I had, I'm no expert but I always got my target, a professional will always get you).
*Is this really the file I wanted? -- Do you know how to check the file for tampering by checking the MD5 checksum?
And more importantly a good, tested backup system known to be reliable and accessible is the minimum safety you should have. I mirror my drive and have copies made stored in my safe, and at a remote location. The remote variant is in a uniquely sealed bag, but that's just me. For many this is overkill. However, I can be up and running from a dead PC in 20 minutes from exactly where I left off.
I have not had a successful virus or malware attack in 10 years since adopting this method. SSD's instead of spinning rust drives are vastly faster, and for the most part just as reliable, but with the back ups it makes them even better. Also it's fair to say this method works equally as well for Windows and Linux, and probably Macs but since adding things like extra drives is almost impossible, I have my doubts!
</RANT>
Dennis Smith
M1DLG
On 29 January 2018 at 08:53, Dave B via chirp_users <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com > wrote:
Quite honestly, I'm amazed anyone still thinks running Norton AV is an acceptable solution to a perceived problem.
It itself is riddled with inconsistencies and other funnies, plus has a hair trigger for false positives. "Not seen by many users" is NOT a good metric to judge if something is bad or not.
Windows own Windows Defender, in conjunction with whatever "Security Essentials" is now called is more than adequate for 90+% of users, and the price is right.
Coupled with the use of "uBlock Origin" in your web browsers, to block the obnoxious nasties in on-line add's, and you'll have a slick fast and more than safe enough system. (Heck, that is even in the MS app store now, as well as Chrome's webstore.)
The single best AV tool, is common sense... Never, and I mean NEVER NEVER Click on a popup you didn't expect*, or go to a site or download something YOU DID NOT YOURSELF ASK OR GO LOOKING FOR!
And Never EVER respond to anything in unsolicited (spam) email's, however attractive the proposition may look.
(* Not even any 'X' close button, that only confirms that they've found a human, and may not even remove the popup. Back out of that website/restart the browser and find another with what you want.)
Norton AV used to be good, it's now just more bloat-ware, with questionable practices, and not in truth a particularly good user experience.
As above, the best AV tool, is the wet stuff between your ears. As in all life, if something appears to be too good to be true, it probably is bad for you, your PC, and/or your bank account!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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participants (11)
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Chuck Hast
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Dave B
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David Wilson
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Dennis Smith
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John
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Kenneth L. Bechtel, II
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Mike Birch
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Neil B
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Tom Henderson
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Tom Sides
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