[chirp_users] Prolific Update
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
well, basically, save this restore point, try that, copy the "actual" prolific installer somewhere, if anything goes wrong, restore, or unistall and reintall and remove the upgrade Em 26/02/2013, às 18:15, "Bill Gabbard" wcgabbard1@windstream.net escreveu:
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill
Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
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Thanks Andre, seems I recall seeing something month or so ago to not install, but since the Chirp recent stable was released am still wondering if this applies. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: André Berger To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
well, basically, save this restore point, try that, copy the "actual" prolific installer somewhere, if anything goes wrong, restore, or unistall and reintall and remove the upgrade
Em 26/02/2013, às 18:15, "Bill Gabbard" wcgabbard1@windstream.net escreveu:
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
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Update type: Optional
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote:
Thanks Andre, seems I recall seeing something month or so ago to not install, but since the Chirp recent stable was released am still wondering if this applies. Bill
Chirp's version is totally independent of the USB-serial cable driver. As long as you have a working driver and cable, Chirp or any other serial program can talk to it.
Matching the driver to your cable is all you need to be concerned about.
Tom KD7LXL
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.netwrote:
** *I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it?* *Thanks,* *Bill*
*Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port*
*Download size: 114 KB*
*You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.*
*Update type: Optional*
*Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013*
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Jim, Thanks, that's what I thought I read some where. My cable came with radio & is working flawlessly thus far, so I'll leave as is. So why mess with something not broke. Thanks again, Bill
PS: Did you get my email regarding antennas for the UV-5RA? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Unroe To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote:
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
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Make sure you go into the driver details and make notes about the version and date. That will keep your head from spinning around should the driver for your counterfeit chip become replaced. Another thing you can do is stop your internet connection when installing these daily updates. It will prevent Windopes 7 from trying to install the latest WHQL drivers from the Microsoft repository. I'm not certain but once you do that the driver installer may present your with dialog stating 'no newer driver could be found, keep the current driver?' I've seen so many of these kinds of dialog from installers it's hard to keep them all memorized.
Sent from my 15.4" MacBook Pro, i7 quad core
On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jim Unroe rock.unroe@gmail.com wrote:
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote: I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill
Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
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I just Right-Clicked the Update and Clicked Hide, so won't show again. Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Phaeton To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
Make sure you go into the driver details and make notes about the version and date. That will keep your head from spinning around should the driver for your counterfeit chip become replaced. Another thing you can do is stop your internet connection when installing these daily updates. It will prevent Windopes 7 from trying to install the latest WHQL drivers from the Microsoft repository. I'm not certain but once you do that the driver installer may present your with dialog stating 'no newer driver could be found, keep the current driver?' I've seen so many of these kinds of dialog from installers it's hard to keep them all memorized.
Sent from my 15.4" MacBook Pro, i7 quad core
On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jim Unroe rock.unroe@gmail.com wrote:
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote:
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
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I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting *me*. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps:
1. They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will *not* be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will *not work* when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables.
I will pay the *twice the price you would have paid* (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable.
So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables *and continue to use them*: *Thanks, guys*.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
Sincerely, Dean Gibson / AE7Q
On 2013-02-26 16:42, Bill Gabbard wrote:
*/I just Right-Clicked the Update and Clicked Hide, so won't show again./* */Thanks,/* */Bill/*
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Phaeton <mailto:phaeton@neo.rr.com> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:19 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update *...* On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jim Unroe <rock.unroe@gmail.com <mailto:rock.unroe@gmail.com>> wrote:
No. Do not update. Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check. Jim On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard <wcgabbard1@windstream.net <mailto:wcgabbard1@windstream.net>> wrote: */I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it?/* */Thanks,/* */Bill/* */------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/* */Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port/* */Download size: 114 KB/* */You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect./* */Update type: Optional/* */Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013/*
Dean, My cable came with the radio I purchased from a Calif. seller thus I've no ideal of it's validity. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dean Gibson AE7Q To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting me. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps:
1.. They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2.. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will not be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will not work when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables.
I will pay the twice the price you would have paid (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable.
So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables and continue to use them: Thanks, guys.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
Sincerely, Dean Gibson / AE7Q
On 2013-02-26 16:42, Bill Gabbard wrote:
I just Right-Clicked the Update and Clicked Hide, so won't show again. Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Phaeton To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
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On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jim Unroe rock.unroe@gmail.com wrote:
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote:
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
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Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
Fortunately, I will not be upgrading to Win8. It brings nothing new, insofar as functionality. It does however, take away the start menu and introduces a stupid new interface that only is effective for touch screens.
From: Dean Gibson AE7Q data@ae7q.net To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Tue, February 26, 2013 9:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting me. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps:
- They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is
supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will not be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will not work when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables.
I will pay the twice the price you would have paid (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable.
So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables and continue to use them: Thanks, guys.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
My cable was included with my UV5R so I have no idea whether its genuine or not. It works, which doesn't necessarily mean that its genuine, but I'm happy to buy a genuine chipped cable if I know where to buy one. The Prolific website link in Dean's post referred us to two recommended sellers, but neither of those had cables for the UV5R (that I could see). Does anyone know of a source for a genuine chipped cable?
Ken G VK4FKWG
From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of John W. Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:12 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
Thats a good question ?? How is anyone to know if the cable is genuine or not. There is no way to know. I just bought two radios, 2 mic, and 2 cables. One is not working, and yes I thought it was maybe a phony. And the company has asked me to send it back to China to be inspected to verify it is not working. That cost more to ship it than I paid for it. Or they will send me another one for five dollars. So everytime we buy one from China where they are made, that is the chance we All take. Regardless of how many we use.
Alan KC9IMF
________________________________ From: Ken G kdubya@iinet.net.au To: 'Discussion of CHIRP' chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
My cable was included with my UV5R so I have no idea whether its genuine or not. It works, which doesn’t necessarily mean that its genuine, but I’m happy to buy a genuine chipped cable if I know where to buy one. The Prolific website link in Dean’s post referred us to two recommended sellers, but neither of those had cables for the UV5R (that I could see). Does anyone know of a source for a genuine chipped cable?
Ken G VK4FKWG From:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] On Behalf Of John W. Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:12 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
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I don't have one of these radios, but I thought I read somewhere that the USB cable (with chip) was the same as for a Kenwood radio?
I don't know if there are cables for these radios that terminate in an RS-232 connector (eg, don't have a proprietary chip), but that's a possible alternative (or maybe it's constructable, like the Icom OPC-1529R), and then use a standard, inexpensive (legit) USB-to-serial cable.
When I checked the Amazon site for the radios, some of the reviews mentioned cable problems, so perhaps a solution was posted there as well.
-- Dean
On 2013-02-26 18:24, Ken G wrote:
My cable was included with my UV5R so I have no idea whether its genuine or not. It works, which doesn’t necessarily mean that its genuine, but I’m happy to buy a genuine chipped cable if I know where to buy one. The Prolific website link in Dean’s post referred us to two recommended sellers, but neither of those had cables for the UV5R (that I could see). Does anyone know of a source for a genuine chipped cable?
Ken G VK4FKWG*
*From:*chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com [mailto:chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com] *On Behalf Of *John W. *Sent:* Wednesday, 27 February 2013 12:12 PM *To:* Discussion of CHIRP *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
If the purchase was from Amazon or other *reputable* seller, they should be able to take a return. Not doing so for a counterfeit product, exposes them to further legal liability.
And I wasn't talking about how it affects those of you who buy such cables and *continue to use them* (they're not that expensive). I was talking about how users who do so, affect ME. Granted, the actions of just one buyer doesn't affect me, but the collective actions do; they affect all of us.
Years ago, some of you may remember that if you mailed a bill payment, and you forgot to put a stamp on it, the USPS would still deliver the envelop, and the recipient would pay the postage due, and your bill payment was posted on time. Then, along came the "hippie" movement, and some decided to make the "evil" utility companies always pay the postage. In short order, the USPS put a stop to that. So, ever since, if you really forget to apply sufficient postage, your payment is returned to you. Actions have consequences, and often, the actions of a relatively small number affect all of the rest of us.
On one Yahoo! forum for an Icom amateur radio product, there is often a (perhaps innocent) query about "where to download the service manual". Usually there is a quick response about where to download it for free. I used to object to the latter messages, noting that Icom sold the manual at a reasonable price. The price I paid for my replies, was that I was moderated on the forum, but the person who provided the pirate web site address was not. One person even claimed that "we were owed it, because amateur radio invented the cellular phone technology".
On another Yahoo! forum for a Yaesu amateur radio product, if someone posts a message about where to download the service manual, he/she is instantly banned by the moderator, and a warning is issued to the group about such posts.
Before I was retired, I made my living writing and selling software. Amateurs used to give these issues little thought. Recently there seems to be more awareness of the issues of both software and hardware piracy, which I am glad to see. Nevertheless, in this thread there didn't seem to be much appreciation of the issue, with most of the advice being how to "get around" the tactics being used to prevent the cables from being used, rather than "is this happening because I am doing something wrong?"
Sincerely, Dean
On 2013-02-26 18:12, John W. wrote:
Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
Fortunately, I will not be upgrading to Win8. It brings nothing new, insofar as functionality. It does however, take away the start menu and introduces a stupid new interface that only is effective for touch screens.
*From:* Dean Gibson AE7Q <data@ae7q.net> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tue, February 26, 2013 9:01:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip: You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips). You are financially affecting *me*. And in a very concrete and tangible way. Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps: 1. They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will *not* be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41 So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will *not work* when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables. I will pay the *twice the price you would have paid* (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable. So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables *and continue to use them*: *Thanks, guys*. As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
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Dean, No problems with mine thus far. I've same thought on Windows 8 as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: John W. To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
Fortunately, I will not be upgrading to Win8. It brings nothing new, insofar as functionality. It does however, take away the start menu and introduces a stupid new interface that only is effective for touch screens.
From: Dean Gibson AE7Q data@ae7q.net To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Tue, February 26, 2013 9:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting me. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps:
1.. They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2.. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will not be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will not work when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables.
I will pay the twice the price you would have paid (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable.
So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables and continue to use them: Thanks, guys.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
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If the purchase was from Amazon or other *reputable* seller, they should be able to take a return. Not doing so for a counterfeit product, exposes them to further legal liability.
And I wasn't talking about how it affects those of you who buy such cables and *continue to use them* (they're not that expensive). I was talking about how users who do so, affect ME. Granted, the actions of just one buyer doesn't affect me, but the collective actions do; they affect all of us.
Years ago, some of you may remember that if you mailed a bill payment, and you forgot to put a stamp on it, the USPS would still deliver the envelop, and the recipient would pay the postage due, and your bill payment was posted on time. Then, along came the "hippie" movement, and some decided to make the "evil" utility companies always pay the postage. In short order, the USPS put a stop to that. So, ever since, if you really forget to apply sufficient postage, your payment is returned to you. Actions have consequences, and often, the actions of a relatively small number affect all of the rest of us.
On one Yahoo! forum for an Icom amateur radio product, there is often a (perhaps innocent) query about "where to download the service manual". Usually there is a quick response about where to download it for free. I used to object to the latter messages, noting that Icom sold the manual at a reasonable price. The price I paid for my replies, was that I was moderated on the forum, but the person who provided the pirate web site address was not. One person even claimed that "we were owed it, because amateur radio invented the cellular phone technology".
On another Yahoo! forum for a Yaesu amateur radio product, if someone posts a message about where to download the service manual, he/she is instantly banned by the moderator, and a warning is issued to the group about such posts.
Before I was retired, I made my living writing and selling software. Amateurs used to give these issues little thought. Recently there seems to be more awareness of the issues of both software and hardware piracy, which I am glad to see. Nevertheless, in this thread there didn't seem to be much appreciation of the issue, with most of the advice being how to "get around" the tactics being used to prevent the cables from being used, rather than "is this happening because I am doing something wrong?"
Sincerely, Dean
On 2013-02-26 18:12, John W. wrote:
Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
Fortunately, I will not be upgrading to Win8. It brings nothing new, insofar as functionality. It does however, take away the start menu and introduces a stupid new interface that only is effective for touch screens.
*From:* Dean Gibson AE7Q <data@ae7q.net> *To:* Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Tue, February 26, 2013 9:01:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip: You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips). You are financially affecting *me*. And in a very concrete and tangible way. Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps: 1. They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will *not* be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41 So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will *not work* when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables. I will pay the *twice the price you would have paid* (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable. So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables *and continue to use them*: *Thanks, guys*. As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
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I would have to agree with John. My brother bought a couple of UV-5R's and then bought the cable and software (wanting me to program them). I decided it was quite a deal and so picked up a couple myself. I was one of the first 2 Citrix certified installers in the state and have to say I would be the last person to recommend you upgrade Windows (or for that matter, run Windows at all).
Dan Smith has done a wonderful job of creating a fine piece of software that only took me about an hour to set up (running Slackware 14.0 here). For anyone else wanting to run Chirp, I would suggest downloading his Live CD and using that for your settings. Why mess up your perfectly bad Windows machine when there is already a re-bootable solution.
As for the cable that my brother bought. I have no idea as to the chip. I hope it is not a counterfeit, although the software is not that good.
Run Dan's Live CD (that is the better solution).
Brett
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013, John W. wrote:
Well, in most cases, no one knows they have a counterfeit until they get the cable and it does not work properly. I have not ever heard a retailer saying "We sell fake chips".
Fortunately, I will not be upgrading to Win8. It brings nothing new, insofar as functionality. It does however, take away the start menu and introduces a stupid new interface that only is effective for touch screens.
From: Dean Gibson AE7Q <data@ae7q.net> To: Discussion of CHIRP <chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> Sent: Tue, February 26, 2013 9:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific update and amateur pirates I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip: You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips). You are financially affecting me. And in a very concrete and tangible way. Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps: 1. They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. 2. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will not be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41 So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will not work when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables. I will pay the twice the price you would have paid (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable. So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables and continue to use them: Thanks, guys. As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
You have to make you own cable, but there are many other brands of those conversors cables, um special I like, to use in another device, is CH-340, much better, no-bug
Em 26/02/2013, às 23:01, Dean Gibson AE7Q data@ae7q.net escreveu:
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting me. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps: They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8. The present USB-to-serial converter chip will not be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41 So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will not work when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables. I will pay the twice the price you would have paid (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable. So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables and continue to use them: Thanks, guys.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
Sincerely, Dean Gibson / AE7Q
On 2013-02-26 16:42, Bill Gabbard wrote:
I just Right-Clicked the Update and Clicked Hide, so won't show again. Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Phaeton To: Discussion of CHIRP Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
... On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jim Unroe rock.unroe@gmail.com wrote:
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote: I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill
Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
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The problem here is that we generally aren't given the choice of what chip comes in the adapter we need, and even if we were, there is almost no way to verify it beforehand. Even if we buy from a vendor that says (and believes) they sell real prolific chips, there is so much fraud throughout the entire supply chain that the company that makes your radio cable is just as likely to be getting cheated themselves. This goes far beyond just serial-to-usb chips, though those are a particularly striking example. It's a plague on the whole industry. You can buy capacitors that turn out to be empty metal cans with a much smaller capacitor hidden inside. You can buy power transistors that have three terminals and nothing at all inside. Try buying a flash drive on ebay. Unfortunately the problem here is there is no regulation or enforcement anywhere along the line, and thus it's always going to be profitable for fly-by-night operations to pass off fake goods as real because there is very little downside to it. It's easy to blame China because most of the fakes come from there, but we also need to blame manufacturers and distributors who turn a blind eye because they're getting a great price, and don't take a stand that would make this kind of fraud less profitable.
All that said, the FTDI serial-usb chips don't seem to have the same problems with fraud and incompatibility that Prolific does, and work better anyway, so I always use FTDI in designs or in consumer products when given the choice. You can often tell at least which *brand* of chip is in it by which windows driver is provided.
Furthermore, in Linux they mostly all just work, even the counterfeit ones, and don't need additional drivers.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 06:01:18PM -0800, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting *me*. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps:
- They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8.
- The present USB-to-serial converter chip will *not* be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will *not work* when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables.
I will pay the *twice the price you would have paid* (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable.
So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables *and continue to use them*: *Thanks, guys*.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
Sincerely, Dean Gibson / AE7Q
On 2013-02-26 16:42, Bill Gabbard wrote:
*/I just Right-Clicked the Update and Clicked Hide, so won't show again./* */Thanks,/* */Bill/*
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Phaeton mailto:phaeton@neo.rr.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP mailto:chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:19 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
*...* On Feb 26, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jim Unroe <rock.unroe@gmail.com mailto:rock.unroe@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard <wcgabbard1@windstream.net mailto:wcgabbard1@windstream.net> wrote:
*/I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it?/* */Thanks,/* */Bill/* */------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------/* */Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port/* */Download size: 114 KB/* */You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect./* */Update type: Optional/* */Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013/*
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Wow. What a lot of sanctimonious, self-centered crap. Everybody who *might* *possibly* have anything other than an official Prolific chip is supposed to bow down and beg forgiveness because the great AE7Q got his shorts in a knot.
Frankly, I don't know what chip is in my cable. When I bought it I installed the 3.2.0.0 driver from the Miklor site because that's what was recommended at the time I installed Chirp, and because the newer drivers weren't working with the Baofeng software. It works, and I have no reason to suspect anything or upgrade the driver.
I had to purchase a Win8 laptop this month when my Win7 machine died. And guess what, O Great One? The 3.2.0.0 driver works on Win8, so my cable and CHIRP do as well.
Now, can you prove that Prolific decided not to support Win8 on certain (probably older) chips because of counterfeiting, or are you just throwing crap out to try to make yourself look smart? Companies drop support for older hardware all the time. Writing new drivers for old hardware is a business decision. Some do, other don't. That's life. Some companies deliberately make older products obsolete in order to force customers to buy new. Those are companies I try to avoid when I can, but that's not always possible.
The point is, of course, that those older chips might very well have been obsoleted by Win8 even without pirating.
Who the hell are you, Dean, to feel entitled to accuse everyone on a mailing list of being pirates? I don't give a damn what software you've written or how many websites you've done. Those things don't give you the right to make unsubstantiated accusations against an entire group. Of course, The Great One will try to claim that my pique automatically means that I've bought pirated stuff. No, it doesn't. I think I've made clear that I'm deeply offended when some jerk tries to accuse an entire group of making his life more difficult in some way.
Dean, the world doesn't revolve around you. Get over yourself.
To the rest of the group: Sorry about the rants. It won't happen again, because I'll be leaving the group. I'd been thinking about it anyway, with the long, drawn-out threads about what a UV-5R will or won't do. That kind of stuff had already caused me to give up the Baofeng group. But The Great One's post made up my mind. I won't be part of any group with Dean Gibson as a member.
As far as Win8: As I mentioned at the top of this post, I installed 3.2.0.0 on Win8, per the instructions on the Miklor site, and it works fine. If you're in need of a new machine, don't let this issue dissuade you from buying a PC which otherwise meets your needs. The "modern" Win8 GUI is garbage, but there are 3rd party utilities that let you boot straight to the desktop and restore the start menu. I'd still rather have Win7, but with the utilities I can live with 8. I can't guarantee, of course, that any particular cable will or won't work on Win8, but the 3.2.0.0 driver does.
To everyone except Dean, 73's
Alan
On 2/26/2013 8:01 PM, Dean Gibson AE7Q wrote:
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
You may not think you are hurting anyone, but you are. Aside from the legal and ethical issues with buying counterfeit goods, you are financially affecting more than just Prolific (who sells legitimate chips).
You are financially affecting *me*. And in a very concrete and tangible way.
Because of the extensive counterfeiting of their USB-to-serial converter chip (and the theft of their intellectual properties: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=155&pcid=41 ), Prolific has taken certain steps:
- They have designed a new USB-to-serial converter chip that is supposed to be more difficult to counterfeit, and selling that to legitimate cable makers. This chip will be supported in Windows 8.
- The present USB-to-serial converter chip will *not* be supported in Windows 8: http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41
So, how does this affect me? I have and use thirteen USB-to-serial converter cables with the old (legitimate) Prolific chip. These cables will *not work* when I upgrade to Windows 8. Instead, I will have to buy new USB-to-serial converter cables.
I will pay the *twice the price you would have paid* (times thirteen), than if you had bought a legitimate cable. Once, for each legitimate original cable, and once again for a new cable.
So, for those of you who knowingly bought counterfeit cables *and continue to use them*: *Thanks, guys*.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project, has written other open-source software for the amateur community, and has maintained a couple amateur radio support sites (free and without ads) for the past decade, you have made my heart very warm with feelings of appreciation. Or maybe just a bit hot.
Sincerely, Dean Gibson / AE7Q
I'd like to apologize to the folks on the list for the flame war that was started in this thread, intentionally, it seems. This _will_ be the last message on this topic. Anyone else with questions or comments for Dean should send them directly to him.
I would like to address this to everyone who buys a cable with a counterfeit Prolific USB-to-serial converter chip:
Dean, this is not the forum for such things. It's not the forum for "addressing" a captive audience to rant about injustices committed by folks outside this community. It's not the forum for scolding or deriding the folks here for purchases they've made, almost always in good faith.
As a person who has contributed code to the Chirp project
With all due respect, your contributions (which have been much appreciated) here and elsewhere have not earned you the right to "address" this community as if it were your congregation, and certainly not to speak to its members with such disrespect.
Cable and driver issues, as they relate to the use of CHIRP are peripherally on-topic. Extensive (and repeated) discussions of manufacturer-specific issues are not. Political and religious opinions do not belong here, regardless of the justification.
For years, this list has been a place for intelligent and civil discussion of just one topic. I'm sorry to say that for the second time this month, I'm going to have to spend time manually moderating the traffic instead of working on CHIRP itself.
Jim, Can you point me to a location of a prolific driver that does not do the security check and works with windows 7? I got a Puxing 777 radio and programming cable from the 409shop in HKG. I can get the cable and provided driver to work with windows XP, but can not get it to work for windows 7. I am sure the cable is not authintic prolific.....
Scott Lynch jscottlynch@hotmail.com
From: Jim Unroe Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:34 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Prolific Update
No. Do not update.
Unless your programming cable has a genuine Prolific usb-to-serial chip in it (most cheap cables have a counterfeit chip), the updated driver will detect the counterfeit chip and stop working. You must continue to use the older driver that does not perform this check.
Jim
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Bill Gabbard wcgabbard1@windstream.net wrote:
I've a Windows 7 PC that the Windows Update notified me the below Update is available. Should I update it? Thanks, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Prolific - Other hardware - Prolific USB-to-Serial Comm Port
Download size: 114 KB
You may need to restart your computer for this update to take effect.
Update type: Optional
Prolific Other hardware software update released in February, 2013
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ALAN
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Alan Kline
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Bill Gabbard
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Brett Bump
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Dan Smith
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Dean Gibson
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Dean Gibson AE7Q
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Jim Unroe
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John W.
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Scott Lynch
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Tom Hayward