[chirp_users] No Download from Kenwood TM-D700a
I have the Kenwood TM-D700A powered on and connected to my computer via a BlueMax49ers FTDI cable. Chirp correctly identifies the COM port confirmed as the FTDI cable in Device Manager. The Radio --> Download from Radio menu selection opens the popup with the COM port, make, and model selections all available. Clicking OK results in the FTDI lights blinking for a few seconds and then nothing. What's missing where there's no download of the radio's memory, which has most all memory slots filled with something?
Thanks, Mark AC3EW
I have the Kenwood TM-D700A powered on and connected to my computer via a BlueMax49ers FTDI cable. Chirp correctly identifies the COM port confirmed as the FTDI cable in Device Manager. The Radio à Download from Radio menu selection opens the popup with the COM port, make, and model selections all available. Clicking OK results in the FTDI lights blinking for a few seconds and then nothing. What’s missing where there’s no download of the radio’s memory, which has most all memory slots filled with something?
Hard to say without a debug log (in a bug). I don't think you're missing anything, assuming that the radio is set to be controlled by the PC and you have proper cabling. The D700 is weird because it has a male DE9 on the front. IIRC, you need a gender changer but *not* a NULL modem to interface it to a normal PC DCE serial port. The hang you're seeing is the driver trying to quickly probe the baud rate of the radio, and I'm assuming, getting no response. But, if your cabling is indeed right a debug log will tell us if something else is happening.
--Dan
The cable I have ends in a female DB9 and physically connects to the radio fine. One thing I observed was when I entered the Radio Download menu it keyed my Flex 6600; there's no reason for that as the Flex doesn't have that COM port in its CAT list. I've shut down the Flex and all other apps and rebooted the computer with the TM-D700 on and the FTDI cable connected at both ends. This time the Radio Download action in Chirp resulted in the fan coming on for about 2 minutes on the TM-D700, and then still no results on the screen. Could you tell me how to generate a debug log? I've enabled Developer mode but that menu is still grayed out even after restarting Chirp.
Thanks, Mark
-----Original Message----- From: chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com chirp_users-bounces@intrepid.danplanet.com On Behalf Of Dan Smith via chirp_users Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 5:36 PM To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] No Download from Kenwood TM-D700a
I have the Kenwood TM-D700A powered on and connected to my computer via a BlueMax49ers FTDI cable. Chirp correctly identifies the COM port confirmed as the FTDI cable in Device Manager. The Radio à Download from Radio menu selection opens the popup with the COM port, make, and model selections all available. Clicking OK results in the FTDI lights blinking for a few seconds and then nothing. What’s missing where there’s no download of the radio’s memory, which has most all memory slots filled with something?
Hard to say without a debug log (in a bug). I don't think you're missing anything, assuming that the radio is set to be controlled by the PC and you have proper cabling. The D700 is weird because it has a male DE9 on the front. IIRC, you need a gender changer but *not* a NULL modem to interface it to a normal PC DCE serial port. The hang you're seeing is the driver trying to quickly probe the baud rate of the radio, and I'm assuming, getting no response. But, if your cabling is indeed right a debug log will tell us if something else is happening.
--Dan
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The cable I have ends in a female DB9 and physically connects to the radio fine.
Right, but the physical connection isn't enough - the port on the D700 is not wired like a normal serial device intended to connect to a PC, which is the problem.
One thing I observed was when I entered the Radio Download menu it keyed my Flex 6600; there's no reason for that as the Flex doesn't have that COM port in its CAT list. I've shut down the Flex and all other apps and rebooted the computer with the TM-D700 on and the FTDI cable connected at both ends. This time the Radio Download action in Chirp resulted in the fan coming on for about 2 minutes on the TM-D700, and then still no results on the screen.
The act of scanning the ports on the system may cause the DTR pin to assert, which can cause some radios (i.e your Flex) to go into transmit mode. However, it should be brief.
If the fan comes on on your D700, you're probably also making it transmit, which probably means it's in TNC mode or something.
After my last message, I pulled out my D700 and confirmed that it is indeed a gender changer needed to talk to a DCE serial port (i.e. on your PC), not a null modem. The radio has a male port wired DTE, which is not normal for a peripheral. So your cable, unless it's intentionally wired wrong for a D700, is probably expecting another DCE device (i.e. has a NULL modem in it for talking to another computer). But, if it really is wired for the strange configuration on the D700, then you need to make sure your radio is ready for serial communication (i.e TNC and KISS disabled, etc).
Could you tell me how to generate a debug log? I've enabled Developer mode but that menu is still grayed out even after restarting Chirp.
The first thing you should do is disable developer mode and restart. Developer mode is intended for developers, not users, and you should not be running in that mode.
Next, reproduce the issue and capture the log. Instructions are here:
https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/How_to_report_issues
I'm not sure what "that menu is still grayed out" refers to, but it's not anything related to the debug log, that I know of.
Please do *not* send the debug log to the thousands of people on this list and instead open an issue per the instructions above and I'll at least let you know what the log indicates, if anything. My D700 just now connected and downloaded immediately without any problem, so I think CHIRP is likely not the culprit here.
--Dan
Dan, you identified the problem for me. I had the radio in TNC PKT mode, looked up in the manual how to take it out of that mode and Chirp promptly populated. It did click my Flex PTT, but as you said, that was momentary with no ill effect. I was already using the cable I got from BlueMax49ers made for the TM-D700 so I was fairly sure it was terminated properly for that radio. I'd even talked by phone with Mark there, who told me about having to use the legacy Chirp for this radio and that's what's working for me.
It helps to know what questions to ask, and it's too bad the how-to documentation is not better than it is. I really appreciate your time.
Thanks! Mark AC3EW
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The cable I have ends in a female DB9 and physically connects to the radio
fine.
Right, but the physical connection isn't enough - the port on the D700 is not wired like a normal serial device intended to connect to a PC, which is the problem.
One thing I observed was when I entered the Radio Download menu it keyed
my Flex 6600; there's no reason for that as the Flex doesn't have that COM port in its CAT list. I've shut down the Flex and all other apps and rebooted the computer with the TM-D700 on and the FTDI cable connected at both ends. This time the Radio Download action in Chirp resulted in the fan coming on for about 2 minutes on the TM-D700, and then still no results on the screen.
The act of scanning the ports on the system may cause the DTR pin to assert, which can cause some radios (i.e your Flex) to go into transmit mode. However, it should be brief.
If the fan comes on on your D700, you're probably also making it transmit, which probably means it's in TNC mode or something.
After my last message, I pulled out my D700 and confirmed that it is indeed a gender changer needed to talk to a DCE serial port (i.e. on your PC), not a null modem. The radio has a male port wired DTE, which is not normal for a peripheral. So your cable, unless it's intentionally wired wrong for a D700, is probably expecting another DCE device (i.e. has a NULL modem in it for talking to another computer). But, if it really is wired for the strange configuration on the D700, then you need to make sure your radio is ready for serial communication (i.e TNC and KISS disabled, etc).
Could you tell me how to generate a debug log? I've enabled Developer mode
but that menu is still grayed out even after restarting Chirp.
The first thing you should do is disable developer mode and restart. Developer mode is intended for developers, not users, and you should not be running in that mode.
Next, reproduce the issue and capture the log. Instructions are here:
https://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/How_to_report_issues
I'm not sure what "that menu is still grayed out" refers to, but it's not anything related to the debug log, that I know of.
Please do *not* send the debug log to the thousands of people on this list and instead open an issue per the instructions above and I'll at least let you know what the log indicates, if anything. My D700 just now connected and downloaded immediately without any problem, so I think CHIRP is likely not the culprit here.
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Dan, you identified the problem for me. I had the radio in TNC PKT mode, looked up in the manual how to take it out of that mode and Chirp promptly populated. It did click my Flex PTT, but as you said, that was momentary with no ill effect. I was already using the cable I got from BlueMax49ers made for the TM-D700 so I was fairly sure it was terminated properly for that radio. I'd even talked by phone with Mark there, who told me about having to use the legacy Chirp for this radio and that's what's working for me.
Okay, very glad you got it working, and glad your cable is intended for the D700 itself. That makes things easier.
I definitely disagree about the recommendation for legacy though - "next" has a ton of fixes for this driver, among others. It might have other bugs, but I'll gladly fix them if you report them as I own this radio and want it to work. Legacy will get no further fixes *and* has known bugs that can cause real problems, so I do not recommend it for anything other than the most dire of circumstances at this point.
--Dan
Hi, Dan. Glad I mentioned the legacy suggestion. I re-installed the latest Chirp-next and it's working great; thank you! I've tried a Repeater Book lookup for my area and copied/pasted a local repeater into my radio, and the results were near instant. I now have some work to do to get all the other repeaters that I use on my travels into the radio's memory. As you've mentioned that you as well are using this radio and programming it with Chirp, I'm making note to report any bugs that I think I see. I'd started and used to run a local LUG here in Frederick, and I fully appreciate the open source ethos and all the effort that goes into it. Rest assured that you are appreciated!
Thanks, Mark
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Dan, you identified the problem for me. I had the radio in TNC PKT mode, looked up in the manual how to take it out of that mode and Chirp promptly populated. It did click my Flex PTT, but as you said, that was momentary with no ill effect. I was already using the cable I got from BlueMax49ers made for the TM-D700 so I was fairly sure it was terminated properly for that radio. I'd even talked by phone with Mark there, who told me about having to use the legacy Chirp for this radio and that's what's working for me.
Okay, very glad you got it working, and glad your cable is intended for the D700 itself. That makes things easier.
I definitely disagree about the recommendation for legacy though - "next" has a ton of fixes for this driver, among others. It might have other bugs, but I'll gladly fix them if you report them as I own this radio and want it to work. Legacy will get no further fixes *and* has known bugs that can cause real problems, so I do not recommend it for anything other than the most dire of circumstances at this point.
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