[chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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The MBA performed poorly after the update to Mavericks in other areas (Mail.app, Safari, and VMWare/VirtualBox) so until I ferret out those issues, I had decided to avoid Mavericks on the other two (more primary use) workstations. the MBP is my "primary", Mini my secondary, and the MBA more of an experimental toy. But, after Mavericks (immediately) a bunch of stuff started to suck. Also, docked "favorites" to mapped volumes lose permanence, which is likely linked to SMB/CIFS subsystem changes I don't have the energy to reverse-apple-engineer. ;)
What I learned from Mavericks so far is that "free isn't always better"
Anyway, I wouldn't have said anything if the CHIRP software performed differently from one to another, but the issues seem uniform across all three.
One thing I noted is that I have R10 of the KK7DS Python Runtime installed. I noted also that the note at http://www.d-rats.com/download/OSX_Runtime/READ_ME_FIRST.txt says: " For all current versions of D-RATS, use R5 For chirp versions before February 16, 2012, use R5 For chirp versions after February 16, 2012, use R6 "
So - - maybe I should attempt downgrading the R10 to R6 and see what happens after that?
Not sure.
Anyway, perhaps I'll leverage some sort of screen recording software to illustrate how quirky CHIRP functions on native mac. Alongside everything else I have going normally, it's QUITE obvious that something isn't right. The performance is notably degraded to the point of not being very functional. Interestingly, in a win7 VM, it works just fine. ;)
So, insofar as accomplishing the task of importing .chirp files and exporting to other formats, and vice versa (we post CHIRP files to our club website so the newer folks with newer radios can just blast the configs to the radios without programming them the "long" way. And I feel for them - I'm an expert with Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu programming just from having done it for so long.. but it seriously took me about 20 minutes to program a single frequency into a UV-5R the first time I tried. I ended up having to program the TX freq first, then RX. THen realized I forgot PL, and had to repeat the process. lol.. Anyway, A majority of users here use CHIRP, and all of them run win32/win64 OS, so I'm sure there's nobody "local" in my exact predicament with the Mac issues.)
So.. task complete, but I sure can easily test other ways of getting it to work as expected.
I just downloaded the R6 python runtime. Going to apply it and restart CHIRP and see if my overversioned py runtime was the issue.
Thanks, 73 Joe N8CN
On May 19, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com wrote:
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
________________________________ From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
________________________________ From: Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org To: Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox
Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If
this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No
noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test
platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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IT's any file, Jens.
If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
From: Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org To: Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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I dont think anyone else has noted this behavior so far. It would probably be helpful if you can do some sort of screen capture video and share so we can see exactly what you are doing.
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________________________________ From: Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org To: Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com Cc: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
IT's any file, Jens.
If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
From: Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org To: Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of
running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all
three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox
Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If
this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No
noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test
platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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Joe,
I run Chirp, latest stable and daily builds, on an iMac with Mavericks with great reliability and speed. I've not tried it on my MacBook Pro. Given that you report that other apps "(Mail.app, Safari, and VMWare/VirtualBox)" run poorly it would appear that the issue is with either your MBP itself or the OS installation. I would suggest getting the underlying problem resolved instead of focusing on Chirp.
Cheers, Jim
Jim McCorison Orcas Island, WA
On May 19, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
IT's any file, Jens.
If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
From: Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org To: Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.
On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance.
I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is.
Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today.
On May 19, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Jim McCorison jimmcc@mccorison.com wrote:
Joe,
I run Chirp, latest stable and daily builds, on an iMac with Mavericks with great reliability and speed. I've not tried it on my MacBook Pro. Given that you report that other apps "(Mail.app, Safari, and VMWare/VirtualBox)" run poorly it would appear that the issue is with either your MBP itself or the OS installation. I would suggest getting the underlying problem resolved instead of focusing on Chirp.
Cheers, Jim
Jim McCorison Orcas Island, WA
On May 19, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
IT's any file, Jens.
If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
From: Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org To: Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
From: Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1. It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available. I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application. There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks -- but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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Hey Joe,
Do things run any differently if you create a new OSX user, logout all users, Login as that new user & run the apps?
Best, Dave Nathanson KG6ZJO
On May 19, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.
On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance.
I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is.
Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today.
That's a good suggestion! I will try that later tonight as well.
So far, I've got this:
System Version CHIRP-0.3.1 CHIRP-0.4.0 Other Apps ------|--------|---------------|---------------|------------------------------ MPB 10.8.5 slow slow ok Mini 10.8.5 slow slow ok MBA 10.9.x slow slow mail.app, others slower Win7vm eu-32 ok n/a ok Win7vm eu-64 ok n/a ok linux n/a n/a n/a ok
With respect to the matrix above, I need to verify the Mavericks version on the macbook air.
I also haven't tried v0.4.0 on the WinX platforms yet.
I'll play a little tonight with the above, and fill in some of the n/a fields.
(eu-x = Enterprise Ultimate)
I'll come up with a vidcap method and post some stuff to You Tube.
Will also try with a new user acct
Will also try invocation from a shell to provide better output (anyone have options for debug output handy?)
So, after tonight when I have access again to the MBAir I'll get all this going. For now, gotta get back to work.
But, the R6 version of the python package DID seem to make it more usable than the R10 did on the MPB system. I will also attempt downgrading the Mini and MBA from R10 to R6 and see if the performance improvement follows.
Thanks-- -jre
On May 19, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Dave Nathanson KG6ZJO@nathanson.org wrote:
Hey Joe,
Do things run any differently if you create a new OSX user, logout all users, Login as that new user & run the apps?
Best, Dave Nathanson KG6ZJO
On May 19, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.
On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance.
I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is.
Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today.
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Started with Lion on a 2011 MBP. Finally found a driver package in Spanish that installed a working driver. Along the way I've done the upgrades to get to Maverick 10.193 And Chirp blazes along. Loads instantly even quicker than my AMD quad core desktop, 4 cores at 4 ghz each. Now, there may be an issue with installing fresh on a Mac that came with Mavericks installed but certainly not the upgrade route.
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
That's a good suggestion! I will try that later tonight as well.
So far, I've got this:
System Version CHIRP-0.3.1 CHIRP-0.4.0 Other Apps
------|--------|---------------|---------------|------------------------------ MPB 10.8.5 slow slow ok Mini 10.8.5 slow slow ok MBA 10.9.x slow slow mail.app, others slower Win7vm eu-32 ok n/a ok Win7vm eu-64 ok n/a ok linux n/a n/a n/a ok
With respect to the matrix above, I need to verify the Mavericks version on the macbook air.
I also haven't tried v0.4.0 on the WinX platforms yet.
I'll play a little tonight with the above, and fill in some of the n/a fields.
(eu-x = Enterprise Ultimate)
I'll come up with a vidcap method and post some stuff to You Tube.
Will also try with a new user acct
Will also try invocation from a shell to provide better output (anyone have options for debug output handy?)
So, after tonight when I have access again to the MBAir I'll get all this going. For now, gotta get back to work.
But, the R6 version of the python package DID seem to make it more usable than the R10 did on the MPB system. I will also attempt downgrading the Mini and MBA from R10 to R6 and see if the performance improvement follows.
Thanks-- -jre
On May 19, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Dave Nathanson KG6ZJO@nathanson.org wrote:
Hey Joe,
Do things run any differently if you create a new OSX user, logout all users, Login as that new user & run the apps?
Best, Dave Nathanson KG6ZJO
On May 19, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.
On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance.
I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is.
Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today.
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I also run Chirp on a Mac, 5 or so years old, and have not noticed any lag, or "slowness".
Try rebooting, closing ALL applications that may auto-start, and give it a try. I suspect it's a problem with your Mac and not Chirp.
Denis
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.
On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance.
I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is.
Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today.
On May 19, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Jim McCorison jimmcc@mccorison.com wrote:
Joe,
I run Chirp, latest stable and daily builds, on an iMac with Mavericks with great reliability and speed. I've not tried it on my MacBook Pro. Given that you report that other apps "(Mail.app, Safari, and VMWare/VirtualBox)" run poorly it would appear that the issue is with either your MBP itself or the OS installation. I would suggest getting the underlying problem resolved instead of focusing on Chirp.
Cheers, Jim
Jim McCorison Orcas Island, WA
On May 19, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
IT's any file, Jens.
If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
*From:* Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org *To:* Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP < chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
*From:* Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running Mountain
Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1.
It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a
VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a
website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available.
I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms
mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not
the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users
using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the
app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application.
There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks --
but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears
to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and
the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions
despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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Can always open a terminal and type top and see CPU and memory usage. Can also type dmesg and look for any reoccurring odball kernel messages.
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Denis Dimick dgdimick@gmail.com wrote:
I also run Chirp on a Mac, 5 or so years old, and have not noticed any lag, or "slowness".
Try rebooting, closing ALL applications that may auto-start, and give it a try. I suspect it's a problem with your Mac and not Chirp.
Denis
There is no future until we settle our past...
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Other apps are slow on the mavericks system only, which is why the other two are still ML systems and not mavericks.
On the other two systems CHIRP is the only app that runs with poor performance.
I completely acknowledge that I may not have done something necessary to achieve optimum performance, and would like to discover what that is.
Downgrading R10 to R6 of the python package did seem to increase the responsiveness. I will be posting some videos to YouTube later today.
On May 19, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Jim McCorison jimmcc@mccorison.com wrote:
Joe,
I run Chirp, latest stable and daily builds, on an iMac with Mavericks with great reliability and speed. I've not tried it on my MacBook Pro. Given that you report that other apps "(Mail.app, Safari, and VMWare/VirtualBox)" run poorly it would appear that the issue is with either your MBP itself or the OS installation. I would suggest getting the underlying problem resolved instead of focusing on Chirp.
Cheers, Jim
Jim McCorison Orcas Island, WA
On May 19, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
IT's any file, Jens.
If I go to File and then New and then type things in manually, by the time I get to the third line, I'm already frustrated by the slow, laggy response of the UI.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
Can you provide the file that you are importing that is "reproducing" this behavior. I'll try to load it on my macs to see if I can reproduce.
I dont think downgrading your special python runtime will make a difference. If it does not, be sure to return to R10, so you dont have any other bugs waiting...
There are at least a dozen mac users on this mailing list that I know of, probably more, and I have not heard anyone describe the symptoms you are having, so I expect it to be a localized/specialized issue. So we can try to work through and attempt to reproduce your issue...
-Jens
*From:* Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org *To:* Jens J. kd4tjx@yahoo.com; Discussion of CHIRP < chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 10:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
What radios are you editing with chirp?
Honestly, I never got that far on OSX. By the time I manage to get a file with 50-75 entries imported (in itself a slow, not-easy task), the software becomes unresponsive (beachball). I generally just go do something else (email, ect) and come back, and it's still spinning, and force-quit it and give up and go do it in my Win7 vm.
So, right now, it's "core functionality" that isn't working. no radio yet, at all.
R10 was installed. Just about to try R6 of the KK7DS package as website document (2012 version) states.
-jre
On May 19, 2014, at 11:26 AM, "Jens J." kd4tjx@yahoo.com wrote:
I also have not had any of the slowness you describe, and I have run it on various mac machines. A hackintosh which has run lion and mavericks, and a mac book air that has run mountain lion and mavericks.
I assume you must have installed the KK7DS python R10 runtime package in order to get it working as a pre-req step.
What radios are you editing with chirp? How many channels do you have visible at once (i.e., how many are you viewing in memory range)?
-Jens
*From:* Pete Mackie pete@seaquest.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 10:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] Max OSX Woes
Joseph,
I don’t know what to say regarding your woes of running CHIRP on Mac OS X. I run CHIP on Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on three computers without any of the problems you describe below. My MacBook Pro is over 5 years old. CHIRP is rock solid being most responsive on my MacBook Pro.
For security purposes, I only run Mac OS X 10.9.3 Mavericks on four family Macs. Why not upgrade from Mountain Lion it is a free O/S upgrade?
Pete
On May 19, 2014, at 6:41 AM, Joseph R. Erlewein joe@n8cn.org wrote:
Hi there, name's Joe. Call N8CN
I've got a Macbook Air running Mavericks, a Macbook Pro running
Mountain Lion, and a Mac Mini running Mountain Lion.
On all three units, the last version I tried (a while ago) was v0.3.1.
It was terribly slow, and I had issues with tasks like.. resizing the window.
I basically shelved it, and ended up using RT systems software inside a
VirtualBox Windows 7 instance, which proved faster. By like, a lot.
I recently tried Chirp again (to read a chirp file for import to a
website that lists area repeaters that I maintain) and was notified that 0.4.0 was available.
I downloaded and installed it. I've tried it an all three platforms
mentioned above.
1st issue: still very slow once you have a file with any data in it. 2nd issue: tasks like changing the size of the window are .. glitchy. 3rd issue: it crashes (repeatably) when I attempt to open a file. Not
the opening-a-file part, the "browsing to where the file is located" part, usually before finding the file to even bother trying to open it.
I guess my query is this: If this is multi-platform software, are there test users / power-users
using this under OSX with any success? If so, I'm wondering why my experiences have been so poor, as I know that with what I've already encountered, I wouldn't be able to use this software on OSX with any long-term success..
Or.. maybe I am missing a step? I've downloaded the zip, extracted the
app, placed it where it needs to be, and run the application.
There are no other "notes" on the site about other necessary tweaks --
but if there are other OSX users out there that did something different to achieve results that yield a workable platform -- is there something on the wiki that shows what you did and where you did it?
I've opened Chirp under my Virtualbox Windows7 instance, and it appears
to be MUCH more stable and reliable. No noticeable "speed increase" over operations on the OSX version, but the glitchiness and crashiness seem to not exist.
Just offering what I've experienced in the last few months.
I'm not out to "flame" the software -- I think it's a great idea, and
the effort is extremely remarkable!! -- and I'm not out to just "complain" -- and perhaps it's just lack of effort to dig deeper and/or understanding on my part -- I'm just communicating what I've run into (as an OSX user, and Windows-land escapee) in the past 4 to 6 months attempting to make use of Chirp on OSX
Windows, no problem. seems to work fine.
Honestly, out of lack of time, I haven't played with the linux versions
despite having a lot of test platforms I could use. In fact, now that I've written this, I think ima go try it. :) Anyone try it on a RPi yet? (i assume yes…)
Best 73 and -- hey I really like the idea of this software :)
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