Re: [chirp_users] Settings to match Motorola PL tones
I think this is a good question. I have recently acquired 2 BaoFeng UV-5RTP. I have programmed them "successfully", but not tested the results.
Here is my take on it.
I think that CHIRP allows the user to select TSQL, indicating that the ToneSql value is used for repeater access. It is unfortunate that we all don't use the same terms. I opine that CTCSS is the same thing as PL; one is a generic term and the other a vendor term.
I understand that Tone in CHIRP is used for receive. If you have Tone selected, then the sender must use the agreed tone to open your squelch. For repeaters, I am not sure that all repeaters use tone (PL, CTCSS) on transmit, as they do on receive. A repeater first senses the carrier on the inbound freq, and then look for the PL tone.
My impression is that many radios do not (can not) use PL codes /from/ a repeater that are different from the sending PL tone.
Now to 2 radios. The sending unit must send the same tone that the receiving unit is filtering on. So if you are both working simplex, and you both have tone squelch enabled and are using the same PL|CTCSS tones, it should work. I might try that later today or tomorrow if I have the time.
From http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/MemoryEditorColumns Tone This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted if the Tone Mode is set to Tone. In Cross mode, it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
ToneSql This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted and used for receiver squelch if the Tone Mode is set to TSQL. In Cross mode it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
I too have used TSQL for many entries, and now wonder if I should be using Tone, because I want to trigger the repeater with a PL tone, but then want the reply no matter what.
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On 2016-06-08 09:26:-0400, Jeffrey wrote:
Hey everyone,
I'm pretty new to radios in general, and more so programming them, but I'll do my best to get the terminology right.
I'm trying to use CHIRP to program a UV-5R so that it can communicate with a Motorola radio on a certain frequency.� The Motorola is set to use 151.9400 with a PL tone of 67.0 for both send and receive.
PL is the same as CTCSS correct?
On the UV-5R, I've got Tone Mode set as TSQL and ToneSql set to 67.0 - and it does not work? The two radios are not communicating.� Am I missing something? Something special about Motorola PL tones? Should be a standard right?
Thanks for any advice.
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Thanks Rick.
I just tried setting Tone Mode to "Tone" with a tone of 67.0 it the UV5R was able to receive from the Motorola, but the Motorola could not receive from the UV5R.
"*Tone*: A single CTCSS tone is transmitted, receive squelch is open or carrier-triggered. The tone used is that which is set in the *Tone* column.:"
So, if I read this correctly, the Motorola radio transmission is open to everyone? And will filter out everything that does not transmit with the correct tone?
Tone mode as "Tone" should work if I have the correct tone, and the radio is sending it correctly. Right?
Jeff
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Rich Messeder rich.messeder@gmail.com wrote:
I think this is a good question. I have recently acquired 2 BaoFeng UV-5RTP. I have programmed them "successfully", but not tested the results.
Here is my take on it.
I think that CHIRP allows the user to select TSQL, indicating that the ToneSql value is used for repeater access. It is unfortunate that we all don't use the same terms. I opine that CTCSS is the same thing as PL; one is a generic term and the other a vendor term.
I understand that Tone in CHIRP is used for receive. If you have Tone selected, then the sender must use the agreed tone to open your squelch. For repeaters, I am not sure that all repeaters use tone (PL, CTCSS) on transmit, as they do on receive. A repeater first senses the carrier on the inbound freq, and then look for the PL tone.
My impression is that many radios do not (can not) use PL codes /from/ a repeater that are different from the sending PL tone.
Now to 2 radios. The sending unit must send the same tone that the receiving unit is filtering on. So if you are both working simplex, and you both have tone squelch enabled and are using the same PL|CTCSS tones, it should work. I might try that later today or tomorrow if I have the time.
From http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/MemoryEditorColumns Tone This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted if the Tone Mode is set to Tone. In Cross mode, it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
ToneSql This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted and used for receiver squelch if the Tone Mode is set to TSQL. In Cross mode it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
I too have used TSQL for many entries, and now wonder if I should be using Tone, because I want to trigger the repeater with a PL tone, but then want the reply no matter what.
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On 2016-06-08 09:26:-0400, Jeffrey wrote:
Hey everyone,
I'm pretty new to radios in general, and more so programming them, but
I'll do my best to get the terminology right.
I'm trying to use CHIRP to program a UV-5R so that it can communicate
with a Motorola radio on a certain frequency. The Motorola is set to use 151.9400 with a PL tone of 67.0 for both send and receive.
PL is the same as CTCSS correct?
On the UV-5R, I've got Tone Mode set as TSQL and ToneSql set to 67.0 -
and it does not work? The two radios are not communicating. Am I missing something? Something special about Motorola PL tones? Should be a standard right?
Thanks for any advice.
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Sounds like your tone frequencies do not match. Perhaps the Motorola is not really on 67 Hz.
Look here http://www.miklor.com/uv5r/UV5R-ToneScan.php for how to scan for the proper tone.On 06/08/2016 09:15 AM, Jeffrey wrote:
Thanks Rick.
I just tried setting Tone Mode to "Tone" with a tone of 67.0 it the UV5R was able to receive from the Motorola, but the Motorola could not receive from the UV5R.
"*Tone*: A single CTCSS tone is transmitted, receive squelch is open or carrier-triggered. The tone used is that which is set in the *Tone* column.:"
So, if I read this correctly, the Motorola radio transmission is open to everyone? And will filter out everything that does not transmit with the correct tone?
Tone mode as "Tone" should work if I have the correct tone, and the radio is sending it correctly. Right?
Jeff
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Rich Messeder <rich.messeder@gmail.com mailto:rich.messeder@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a good question. I have recently acquired 2 BaoFeng UV-5RTP. I have programmed them "successfully", but not tested the results. Here is my take on it. I think that CHIRP allows the user to select TSQL, indicating that the ToneSql value is used for repeater access. It is unfortunate that we all don't use the same terms. I opine that CTCSS is the same thing as PL; one is a generic term and the other a vendor term. I understand that Tone in CHIRP is used for receive. If you have Tone selected, then the sender must use the agreed tone to open your squelch. For repeaters, I am not sure that all repeaters use tone (PL, CTCSS) on transmit, as they do on receive. A repeater first senses the carrier on the inbound freq, and then look for the PL tone. My impression is that many radios do not (can not) use PL codes /from/ a repeater that are different from the sending PL tone. Now to 2 radios. The sending unit must send the same tone that the receiving unit is filtering on. So if you are both working simplex, and you both have tone squelch enabled and are using the same PL|CTCSS tones, it should work. I might try that later today or tomorrow if I have the time. From http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/MemoryEditorColumns Tone This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted if the Tone Mode is set to Tone. In Cross mode, it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details). ToneSql This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted and used for receiver squelch if the Tone Mode is set to TSQL. In Cross mode it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details). I too have used TSQL for many entries, and now wonder if I should be using Tone, because I want to trigger the repeater with a PL tone, but then want the reply no matter what. ~R~ NE1EE Short email? No html? Here's why: http://emailcharter.org/ On 2016-06-08 09:26:-0400, Jeffrey wrote: >Hey everyone, > >I'm pretty new to radios in general, and more so programming them, but I'll do my best to get the terminology right. > >I'm trying to use CHIRP to program a UV-5R so that it can communicate with a Motorola radio on a certain frequency. The Motorola is set to use 151.9400 with a PL tone of 67.0 for both send and receive. > >PL is the same as CTCSS correct? > >On the UV-5R, I've got Tone Mode set as TSQL and ToneSql set to 67.0 - and it does not work? The two radios are not communicating. Am I missing something? Something special about Motorola PL tones? Should be a standard right? > >Thanks for any advice. > >Jeff >Jeffrey Fongemie  Â--
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:58 AM, W Paul Mills AC0HY@wpmills.com wrote:
Sounds like your tone frequencies do not match. Perhaps the Motorola is not really on 67 Hz.
I would be more suspicious of the Baofeng being off frequency. I have heard reports that Baofengs will not work with the DTMF decoders on some repeaters due to transmitting off-frequency DTMF tones. It would not surprise me if the CTCSS/PL tone was also off. Motorolas tend to have very good CTCSS decoders (meaning they'll reject off-frequency tones), so you're likely to see a problem like this surface more when using a Motorola than a Baofeng receiver.
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On 06/08/2016 10:13 AM, Tom Hayward wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:58 AM, W Paul Mills AC0HY@wpmills.com wrote:
Sounds like your tone frequencies do not match. Perhaps the Motorola is not really on 67 Hz.
I would be more suspicious of the Baofeng being off frequency. I have heard reports that Baofengs will not work with the DTMF decoders on some repeaters due to transmitting off-frequency DTMF tones. It would not surprise me if the CTCSS/PL tone was also off. Motorolas tend to have very good CTCSS decoders (meaning they'll reject off-frequency tones), so you're likely to see a problem like this surface more when using a Motorola than a Baofeng receiver.
Tom KD7LXL
I have never had this problem with any I have seen. And I have seen dozens.
Lol good luck with that. "They" don't really want theirs to work with yours. 😎 On Jun 8, 2016 9:31 AM, "W Paul Mills" AC0HY@wpmills.com wrote:
On 06/08/2016 10:13 AM, Tom Hayward wrote:
On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:58 AM, W Paul Mills AC0HY@wpmills.com wrote:
Sounds like your tone frequencies do not match. Perhaps the Motorola is not really on 67 Hz.
I would be more suspicious of the Baofeng being off frequency. I have heard reports that Baofengs will not work with the DTMF decoders on some repeaters due to transmitting off-frequency DTMF tones. It would not surprise me if the CTCSS/PL tone was also off. Motorolas tend to have very good CTCSS decoders (meaning they'll reject off-frequency tones), so you're likely to see a problem like this surface more when using a Motorola than a Baofeng receiver.
Tom KD7LXL
I have never had this problem with any I have seen. And I have seen dozens.
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I haven't heard of that problem either. And the Baofeng radios are extremely common on the repeaters in my area. In fact, the only tone problem I've heard of (other than people simply not having it on when it's required) is with Yaesu radios using WIRES.
W Paul Mills mailto:AC0HY@WPMills.com Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:30 AM
I have never had this problem with any I have seen. And I have seen dozens.
Tom Hayward mailto:tom@tomh.us Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:13 AM
I would be more suspicious of the Baofeng being off frequency. I have heard reports that Baofengs will not work with the DTMF decoders on some repeaters due to transmitting off-frequency DTMF tones. It would not surprise me if the CTCSS/PL tone was also off. Motorolas tend to have very good CTCSS decoders (meaning they'll reject off-frequency tones), so you're likely to see a problem like this surface more when using a Motorola than a Baofeng receiver.
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Sounds like your tone frequencies do not match. Perhaps the Motorola is not really on 67 Hz.
Look here http://www.miklor.com/uv5r/UV5R-ToneScan.php for how to scan
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I just tried setting Tone Mode to "Tone" with a tone of 67.0 it the UV5R was able to receive from the Motorola, but the Motorola could not receive from the UV5R.
"*Tone*: A single CTCSS tone is transmitted, receive squelch is open or carrier-triggered. The tone used is that which is set in the *Tone* column.:"
So, if I read this correctly, the Motorola radio transmission is open to everyone? And will filter out everything that does not transmit with the correct tone?
Tone mode as "Tone" should work if I have the correct tone, and the radio is sending it correctly. Right?
Jeff
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Here is my take on it.
I think that CHIRP allows the user to select TSQL, indicating that the ToneSql value is used for repeater access. It is unfortunate that we all don't use the same terms. I opine that CTCSS is the same thing as PL; one is a generic term and the other a vendor term.
I understand that Tone in CHIRP is used for receive. If you have Tone selected, then the sender must use the agreed tone to open your squelch. For repeaters, I am not sure that all repeaters use tone (PL, CTCSS) on transmit, as they do on receive. A repeater first senses the carrier on the inbound freq, and then look for the PL tone.
My impression is that many radios do not (can not) use PL codes /from/ a repeater that are different from the sending PL tone.
Now to 2 radios. The sending unit must send the same tone that the receiving unit is filtering on. So if you are both working simplex, and you both have tone squelch enabled and are using the same PL|CTCSS tones, it should work. I might try that later today or tomorrow if I have the time.
From http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/MemoryEditorColumns Tone This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted if the Tone Mode is set to Tone. In Cross mode, it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
ToneSql This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted and used for receiver squelch if the Tone Mode is set to TSQL. In Cross mode it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
I too have used TSQL for many entries, and now wonder if I should be using Tone, because I want to trigger the repeater with a PL tone, but then want the reply no matter what.
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Now all we need is for Baofeng to make 800 band radios.
On 6/8/2016 3:45 PM, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
I haven't heard of that problem either. And the Baofeng radios are extremely common on the repeaters in my area. In fact, the only tone problem I've heard of (other than people simply not having it on when it's required) is with Yaesu radios using WIRES.
W Paul Mills mailto:AC0HY@WPMills.com Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:30 AM
I have never had this problem with any I have seen. And I have seen dozens.
Tom Hayward mailto:tom@tomh.us Wednesday, June 08, 2016 9:13 AM
I would be more suspicious of the Baofeng being off frequency. I have heard reports that Baofengs will not work with the DTMF decoders on some repeaters due to transmitting off-frequency DTMF tones. It would not surprise me if the CTCSS/PL tone was also off. Motorolas tend to have very good CTCSS decoders (meaning they'll reject off-frequency tones), so you're likely to see a problem like this surface more when using a Motorola than a Baofeng receiver.
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Sounds like your tone frequencies do not match. Perhaps the Motorola is not really on 67 Hz.
Look here http://www.miklor.com/uv5r/UV5R-ToneScan.php for how to scan
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I just tried setting Tone Mode to "Tone" with a tone of 67.0 it the UV5R was able to receive from the Motorola, but the Motorola could not receive from the UV5R.
"*Tone*: A single CTCSS tone is transmitted, receive squelch is open or carrier-triggered. The tone used is that which is set in the *Tone* column.:"
So, if I read this correctly, the Motorola radio transmission is open to everyone? And will filter out everything that does not transmit with the correct tone?
Tone mode as "Tone" should work if I have the correct tone, and the radio is sending it correctly. Right?
Jeff
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Here is my take on it.
I think that CHIRP allows the user to select TSQL, indicating that the ToneSql value is used for repeater access. It is unfortunate that we all don't use the same terms. I opine that CTCSS is the same thing as PL; one is a generic term and the other a vendor term.
I understand that Tone in CHIRP is used for receive. If you have Tone selected, then the sender must use the agreed tone to open your squelch. For repeaters, I am not sure that all repeaters use tone (PL, CTCSS) on transmit, as they do on receive. A repeater first senses the carrier on the inbound freq, and then look for the PL tone.
My impression is that many radios do not (can not) use PL codes /from/ a repeater that are different from the sending PL tone.
Now to 2 radios. The sending unit must send the same tone that the receiving unit is filtering on. So if you are both working simplex, and you both have tone squelch enabled and are using the same PL|CTCSS tones, it should work. I might try that later today or tomorrow if I have the time.
From http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/wiki/MemoryEditorColumns Tone This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted if the Tone Mode is set to Tone. In Cross mode, it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
ToneSql This sets the CTCSS tone to be transmitted and used for receiver squelch if the Tone Mode is set to TSQL. In Cross mode it has additional meanings (see description of Cross Mode for more details).
I too have used TSQL for many entries, and now wonder if I should be using Tone, because I want to trigger the repeater with a PL tone, but then want the reply no matter what.
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Jeffrey fongemie@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Rick.
I just tried setting Tone Mode to "Tone" with a tone of 67.0 it the UV5R was able to receive from the Motorola, but the Motorola could not receive from the UV5R.
"Tone: A single CTCSS tone is transmitted, receive squelch is open or carrier-triggered. The tone used is that which is set in the Tone column.:"
So, if I read this correctly, the Motorola radio transmission is open to everyone? And will filter out everything that does not transmit with the correct tone?
Tone mode as "Tone" should work if I have the correct tone, and the radio is sending it correctly. Right?
Jeff
If you truly have programmed the radio with Tone set to 67.0 then it should show up as 67.0 in menu 13 (T-CTCS). as 67.0. If not, do it again. When using Windows you not only have to select 67.0 in the drop down menu, you have to press enter or click onto another cell to make the selection "stick" (this extra step isn't needed for Linux or Mac OS X).
If T-CTCS is set to 67.0 then I would expect that 67.0 is not the required tone. You can use the tone scan feature of the UV-5R to determine what the CTCSS tone of the Motorola radio is.
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