Re: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words
I didn't see if the original message said this was via a repeater or direct. If via a repeater, realize some repeaters have a slight delay, especially if the carrier is allowed to drop between transmissions and/or it uses PL/DPL. Some dual mode repeaters (analog/digital) can exhibit this behavior. Also, at least one repeater in my area has a delay (1-2 seconds) on the first transmission in a conversation to discourage "pinging" the repeater.
Bill Riess KW9WR@ARRL.net AKA: (Bill@Riess.us)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:31:42 -0700 From: Bill Card willardscard@gmail.com Subject: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words To: Post to Chirp Mailing List chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: CADT+LLuCbHczz1Bf67nK2Tj7xOYT3xzZszfCXOL8heJc4-2MtQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
This is relating to the discussion about...
"I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear the
other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words."
I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that, if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words.
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 19:55:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Ray Hutchinson rdhutch@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words To: Post to Chirp Mailing List chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: 775894566.1962839.1585684529781@mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Another thought.? If this phenomenon of missing the first couple of words happens when communication with a paticular individual, then perhaps that individual is "Quick Keying", or not fully engaging the PTT on their radio before speaking.? If this seems to be the case, encourage them to consciously be sure they're pressing the PTT and pausing slightly before speaking.? This is often a problem with newer or inexperienced operators in the Ham world 73 de Ray, AE6H, WQXK637 On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, 12:33:37 PM PDT, Bill Card willardscard@gmail.com wrote:
This is relating to the discussion about...
"I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear the other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words."
I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that, if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words. So it might not be your radio at all._______________________________________________ chirp_users mailing list chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com http://intrepid.danplanet.com/mailman/listinfo/chirp_users This message was sent to Ray at rdhutch@pacbell.net To unsubscribe, send an email to chirp_users-unsubscribe@intrepid.danplanet.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://intrepid.danplanet.com/pipermail/chirp_users/attachments/20200331/822...
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:34:47 -0500 From: Dennis Wage dwage@dwage.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: CAE1d062UJSV7m6Nw1Um5S29K_Loz5MdeJVryfqaWjOXVsNZFLQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I don't even want to know, why you are trying to reinvent the wheel.
Dennis M. Wage (W9BOQ)
245 Corum Hill Road Castalian Springs, TN 37031 (615) 310-4242 Cell (615) 562-5128 Home http://hammondb3organ.net http://overdubs.net
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:23 AM NE1EE - Rich NE1EE@hotmail.com wrote:
David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email package to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of Yaesu FT-7100 Baofeng UV-5RA showing the hijacked message
My message appears in the same 5RA thread. I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the use of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content.
So ... You need to start a new message. Mike, WB4TTZ
is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. Thanks Mike! ~R~
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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:16:03 -0500 From: David weather@lightingunlimited.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: 8f4bd56b-06fa-e5df-8d86-c75b0491c896@lightingunlimited.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Ok another question,
If I am responding to a post do I use "reply" or do I use "reply list"? I use Thunderbird for email.
David
On 3/31/2020 10:21 AM, NE1EE - Rich wrote:
David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email package to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of Yaesu FT-7100 Baofeng UV-5RA showing the hijacked message
My message appears in the same 5RA thread. I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the use of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content.
So ... You need to start a new message. Mike, WB4TTZ
is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. Thanks Mike! ~R~
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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:25:05 -0400 From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." n1ea@arrl.net Subject: Re: [chirp_users] Replying to the list with a new To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: CADO5RbjFDY7THRdJ+yuKV-zE2xqTQhJxZ2d8ZNU9MKR+_ZSFFw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
David,
Administrators can set the lists up so that replies go to the author, or to the list, or both, or "user decides" - moments ago I just set my googlegroups list to "user decides" because if I don't set it that way the author's email address is hidden - even from me - the list owner!
Email lists are strange. Gmail doesn't send you back your own posts, which was the original setting "way" back in 1980s when everyone was on a 300 baud modem and phone lines. Conserve valuable bandwidth in those days. Now sending you your own message takes a few milliseconds.
I still use mutt and thunderbird, both have "bounce" functions because sometimes my list subscribers think they have to send their emails to me for forwarding to the list. Bouncing an email makes it look like it was sent by the original sender to the final addressee - which in my case is always the email list, but it can be abused to fool people, Person A sends me and email, I bounce it to Person B and Person B thinks it was sent directly from Person A. You can see it came through me if you look at the headers.
I did have my email list set up that way in 1994 when I started that list as a "one way" email list. Finally when google announced it was doing free lists, I jumped at the chance. I also printed newsletters using a Commodore 64 and GeoPublish - wow that's going back some.
73 DR N1EA
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:16 PM David weather@lightingunlimited.com wrote:
Ok another question,
If I am responding to a post do I use "reply" or do I use "reply list"? I use Thunderbird for email.
David
On 3/31/2020 10:21 AM, NE1EE - Rich wrote:
David asked if I got a new thread...so I logged into the email package
to see. NO...my "new" subject is under a thread of
Yaesu FT-7100 Baofeng UV-5RA showing the hijacked message
My message appears in the same 5RA thread. I was under the impression that, though the standard called out the use
of In-Reply-To, it was rarely used. Not the case here, as the mail package correctly identified the thread. I suppose that has some usefulness, because someone could preserve the thread and change the subject, providing a clue to someone of the thread content.
So ... You need to start a new message. Mike, WB4TTZ
is entirely correct. I'm glad I ran the test and got the answer to a
pending question in my mind, though I didn't know how to find it. Thanks Mike!
~R~
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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 13:17:47 -0400 From: NE1EE - Rich NE1EE@hotmail.com Subject: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette To: chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: DM5PR0701MB38138C9C831C5B464F5BF75CF5C90@DM5PR0701MB3813.namprd07.prod.outlook.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Well, I often see breaches of etiquette. The most serious of these is hijacked threads. I find it nearly impossible sometimes to find what I am looking for, because a thread with subject A will really be about subject B.
So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations?
~R~ 73 de Rich NE1EE On the banks of the Piscataqua
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Message: 8 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:25:11 -0500 From: Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: CAN3TeO0PvgqaMjJMhyX7y3XzmeLde5aD=7ZA6Es=gU3Un_QnSA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:50 AM NE1EE - Rich NE1EE@hotmail.com wrote:
So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations?
A gentile but direct reminder is more effective I think, but it wouldn't hurt to reference the full list once a breach is noted (for everyone).
This list seems pretty complete:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette
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Message: 9 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 10:44:29 -0400 From: NE1EE - Rich NE1EE@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [chirp_users] email / forum etiquette To: Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: DM5PR0701MB3813EB70EB65B674221BEC02F5C90@DM5PR0701MB3813.namprd07.prod.outlook.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Gosh! Thanks for being kind about that! I think that I am too outspoken, and I actually meant to delete the email. I was momentarily stunned when I saw a post with exactly the same subject!
Yes...I like what you have recommended. I used to have a link to something similar, but then the web page went away.
Saay...what's up here? I feel cheated <grin> Instructions For Specific Clients No Eudora!
Again, thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated, and I have bookmarked it.
~Rich~
On 2020-04-01 09:25:-0500, you wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:50 AM NE1EE - Rich <mailto:NE1EE@hotmail.comNE1EE@hotmail.com> wrote:
So maybe we could have some sort of monthly reminder email, with explanations?
A gentile but direct reminder is more effective I think, but it wouldn't hurt to reference the full list once a breach is noted (for everyone).
This list seems pretty complete:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquettehttps://wiki.open stack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette
Thanks, Richard
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Also the OP did not specify if he was using CTCSS or DCS decode. Tone decoding on Baofeng radios can be flakey. Sometimes they can take seconds to decode and the receive audio may not unmute immediately. They can also falsely mute the receive audio.
Tom ND5Y
No repeater, direct.
David
On 4/3/2020 11:32 AM, Bill Riess via chirp_users wrote:
I didn't see if the original message said this was via a repeater or direct. If via a repeater, realize some repeaters have a slight delay, especially if the carrier is allowed to drop between transmissions and/or it uses PL/DPL. Some dual mode repeaters (analog/digital) can exhibit this behavior. Also, at least one repeater in my area has a delay (1-2 seconds) on the first transmission in a conversation to discourage "pinging" the repeater.
Bill Riess KW9WR@ARRL.net AKA: (Bill@Riess.us)
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1. Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words (Bill Card) 2. Re: Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words (Ray Hutchinson) 3. Re: Replying to the list with a new (Dennis Wage) 4. Re: Replying to the list with a new (W Paul Mills) 5. Re: Replying to the list with a new (David) 6. Re: Replying to the list with a new (D.J.J. Ring, Jr.) 7. email / forum etiquette (NE1EE - Rich) 8. Re: email / forum etiquette (Richard Shaw) 9. Re: email / forum etiquette (NE1EE - Rich)
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:31:42 -0700 From: Bill Card willardscard@gmail.com Subject: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words To: Post to Chirp Mailing List chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: CADT+LLuCbHczz1Bf67nK2Tj7xOYT3xzZszfCXOL8heJc4-2MtQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
This is relating to the discussion about...
"I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear the
other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words."
I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that, if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words.
So it might not be your radio at all.
Is this being caused by the battery saver setting? If the receiver is asleep it may be a second before it wakes up and opens the squelch.
Try adjusting Basic Settings -> battery saver and see if you notice any difference for the different values.
73 Nick
On 04/04/2020 00:30, David wrote:
No repeater, direct.
David
On 4/3/2020 11:32 AM, Bill Riess via chirp_users wrote:
I didn't see if the original message said this was via a repeater or direct. If via a repeater, realize some repeaters have a slight delay, especially if the carrier is allowed to drop between transmissions and/or it uses PL/DPL. Some dual mode repeaters (analog/digital) can exhibit this behavior. Also, at least one repeater in my area has a delay (1-2 seconds) on the first transmission in a conversation to discourage "pinging" the repeater.
Bill Riess KW9WR@ARRL.net AKA: (Bill@Riess.us)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:31:42 -0700 From: Bill Card willardscard@gmail.com Subject: [chirp_users] Baofeng UV-5RA...lost first words To: Post to Chirp Mailing List chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com Message-ID: CADT+LLuCbHczz1Bf67nK2Tj7xOYT3xzZszfCXOL8heJc4-2MtQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
This is relating to the discussion about...
"I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear the
other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words."
I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that, if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words.
So it might not be your radio at all.
There is also a setting that will check the other frequency on the display every few seconds. The tdr setting iirc.
On April 4, 2020 3:30:41 PM EDT, Nick G4IRX g4irx9@nowindows.net wrote:
Is this being caused by the battery saver setting? If the receiver is asleep it may be a second before it wakes up and opens the squelch.
Try adjusting Basic Settings -> battery saver and see if you notice any
difference for the different values.
73 Nick
On 04/04/2020 00:30, David wrote:
No repeater, direct.
David
On 4/3/2020 11:32 AM, Bill Riess via chirp_users wrote:
I didn't see if the original message said this was via a repeater or
direct.
If via a repeater, realize some repeaters have a slight delay,
especially if the carrier is allowed to drop between transmissions and/or it uses PL/DPL. Some dual mode repeaters (analog/digital) can exhibit this behavior. Also, at least one repeater in my area has a delay (1-2 seconds) on the first transmission in a conversation to discourage "pinging" the repeater.
Bill Riess KW9WR@ARRL.net AKA: (Bill@Riess.us)
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This is relating to the discussion about...
"I am using a UV-5RA and it has about a sec delay before I hear
the
other person talk is this normal or is there a setting someplace
that I can change? A real pain as it cuts off the other persons one or 2 first words."
I've followed the discussion but haven't seen anyone mention that,
if the other person in your communication is using VOX, you'll lose the first few words of his/her transmission. When I used to use it with CBs on motorcycles, we had to blow into the mic, wait a second, then transmit to avoid loss of the first few words.
So it might not be your radio at all.
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