Re: [chirp_users] chirp-daily-20160419-win32: Hide Unused Fields, Smart Tone Modes
On 2016-04-27 09:15:-0400, you wrote:
Perhaps the problem is you are TOO familiar with other programming methods.
I think that you have hit it exactly!
I am a novice to CHIRP; I read the programming info & the detailed field definitions and was merrily up and programming in a few minutes. Lee N8VYH
OK...I admit...I gave the first few paragraphs of each doc and web page a cursory glance, figured that it worked in a certain way, connected to the UV-5 and downloaded a copy of the memory.
It's not that I don't read instructions...in fact, I try to read them for each device I have. The "problem" is that CHIRP displayed, by default, fields that are "unused", and there was no clue about that. The menu had "Hide Unused Fields" checked, so I figured that I was looking at "used" fields. Using Properties, I changed Power, and things worked as I thought they should. Then I tried to change PL tones individually, and that is where things fell apart. CHIRP kept changing my PL tones to 88.5, and there is no clue why.
I don't want to bother anyone further until I have read further...I still have not run across the reference to the UV-5 that (Tom?) posted a few days ago referring to "The UV5R's internal memory structure does not have "Tone Mode" and "Tone" value fields, like most other ham radios do. Instead, it has only two fields: rxtone and txtone. To activate a transmit tone, the tone's value it stored in the txtone field. To turn off tones, zero is written to this field. So when you set Tone Mode off, the tone value you previously programmed is overwritten by zeros. This is just how the radio is designed--unfortunately there's no way around it."
So I have some reading to do before I ask any more questions. For now, I find it misleading that I can change "unused" fields, and that CHIRP will then change them to some yet unexplained other value (I guess that's in the docs...so I'll find it in the next day or so). They ought to be blank and inaccessible. ... ... IMO, and we all know now how new to CHIRP I am. ;-)
~R~ NE1EE
If CHIRP started by hiding unused fields, no one would know the fields were there :- )
As you discovered, 88.5 is the default. Hang in there, you'll get used to it.
No other software supports this many radios. I believe it's well over 80 models now. The software guys are all strictly volunteers that do this as Labor of Love for the hobby, and the support is strictly by donations.
Enjoy... John Http://www.miklor.com
On Apr 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Rich Messeder rich.messeder@gmail.com wrote:
On 2016-04-27 09:15:-0400, you wrote: Perhaps the problem is you are TOO familiar with other programming methods.
I think that you have hit it exactly!
I am a novice to CHIRP; I read the programming info & the detailed field definitions and was merrily up and programming in a few minutes. Lee N8VYH
OK...I admit...I gave the first few paragraphs of each doc and web page a cursory glance, figured that it worked in a certain way, connected to the UV-5 and downloaded a copy of the memory.
It's not that I don't read instructions...in fact, I try to read them for each device I have. The "problem" is that CHIRP displayed, by default, fields that are "unused", and there was no clue about that. The menu had "Hide Unused Fields" checked, so I figured that I was looking at "used" fields. Using Properties, I changed Power, and things worked as I thought they should. Then I tried to change PL tones individually, and that is where things fell apart. CHIRP kept changing my PL tones to 88.5, and there is no clue why.
I don't want to bother anyone further until I have read further...I still have not run across the reference to the UV-5 that (Tom?) posted a few days ago referring to "The UV5R's internal memory structure does not have "Tone Mode" and "Tone" value fields, like most other ham radios do. Instead, it has only two fields: rxtone and txtone. To activate a transmit tone, the tone's value it stored in the txtone field. To turn off tones, zero is written to this field. So when you set Tone Mode off, the tone value you previously programmed is overwritten by zeros. This is just how the radio is designed--unfortunately there's no way around it."
So I have some reading to do before I ask any more questions. For now, I find it misleading that I can change "unused" fields, and that CHIRP will then change them to some yet unexplained other value (I guess that's in the docs...so I'll find it in the next day or so). They ought to be blank and inaccessible. ... ... IMO, and we all know now how new to CHIRP I am. ;-)
~R~ NE1EE
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Rich Messeder rich.messeder@gmail.com wrote:
The "problem" is that CHIRP displayed, by default, fields that are "unused", and there was no clue about that. The menu had "Hide Unused Fields" checked, so I figured that I was looking at "used" fields.
I added a note about this on the bug tracker: http://chirp.danplanet.com/issues/1779
CHIRP kept changing my PL tones to 88.5, and there is no clue why.
I don't want to bother anyone further until I have read further...I still have not run across the reference to the UV-5 that (Tom?) posted a few days ago referring to "The UV5R's internal memory structure does not have "Tone Mode" and "Tone" value fields, like most other ham radios do. Instead, it has only two fields: rxtone and txtone. To activate a transmit tone, the tone's value it stored in the txtone field. To turn off tones, zero is written to this field. So when you set Tone Mode off, the tone value you previously programmed is overwritten by zeros. This is just how the radio is designed--unfortunately there's no way around it."
Here's the reference to specifically what I was talking about: http://chirp.danplanet.com/projects/chirp/repository/entry/chirp/drivers/uv5...
I think you'll find in the UV-5 manual, if there is one, that tone frequencies cannot be stored for toggling on and off as needed, like you're familiar with on Japanese radios. One possible source of confusion here is that you are attempting the learn the features of a new radio and new programming software at the same time. You might connect a radio you're more familiar with to Chirp to see how it works. I think you'll find the tones behave as you'd expect on that radio, and the confusion here is due to the design of the UV5.
Tom
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