What I'm just asking is: "Is 'CHIRP-NEXT' accessible with a screen reader?, If so which operating systems?"
Current old CHIRP is accessible in Linux with the standard ORCA screen reader under MATE Desktop Environment.
Will the change to python 3 change accessibility in Linux or other operating systems?
Kind regards,
David N1EA
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023, 11:59 Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org wrote:
You're discussing what some would call an edge case, hams that want to run CHIRP and have vision issues.
For example, it's no clear Ubuntu would allow distributing an "Ubuntu + CHIRP + Screenreader" image, based on this restriction:
- You can redistribute Ubuntu, but only where there has been no
modification to it.
Source: https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
But there are other distributions that likely would allow it.
I believe CHIRP-NEXT is intended to be easier to install/configure, if it is not already, and if that's the case, we're back to a single-command install of CHIRP, but configuration of a screenreader woukd still be an exercise for the user.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 09:56, K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well for accessibility, that is for the visually impaired to use Chirp, they will need a Linux using Python 2X, and an old Chirp that will install into it. Personally, I've not ever gotten a package of Chirp to be able to install right from downloading a Linux package, I rely on using apt to get Chirp from a repository. I had to follow step by step instruction to get Chirp to install into a newer Linux with Python 3, and I found after all that that flatpak breaks accessibility. So rather than putting someone through all that, I'm sure there are folks who would gladly download a big file that they can rite to a drive and boot it up and have Chirp working. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Ken Hansen ken@n2vip.org *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
Shipping a complete Ubuntu installation in a VM just to have CHIRP pre-installed seems a bit of over-kill. Typically a single line command would install CHIRP, wouldn't it?
CHIRP is 20-40 megabytes, a full GUI install of Ubuntu is measured in gigabytes.
Ken, N2VIP
On Jan 3, 2023, at 06:23, Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com wrote:
Be aware of Ubuntu's IPRights Policy, particularity concerning redistribution:
https://ubuntu.com/legal/intellectual-property-policy
Yes, installing a 3rd party package (Chirp) and distributing a VM image of it can be considered 'modification'.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 8:33 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
Well if it is the only someone can use Chirp, either for accessibility, or because of operating system, I see nothing wrong with it. I may DD my thumb drive with Ubuntu and Chirp on it, if I can find a drive with just that on it, and give a link to anyone who wants it. Some of my thumb drives are multiboot, with several operating systems on it, so I'll need to go through a bunch of them to find one that has Ubuntu 18 and Chirp.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Scott Lopez scottjl@gmail.com *To:* Discussion of CHIRP chirp_users@intrepid.danplanet.com *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2023 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [chirp_users] New chirp-next build
I can't imagine anyone here wants to be responsible for setting up, distributing, and supporting a VM image of what is now outdated and no longer supported software. I know I wouldn't want to be. There's a reason the software is outdated, the best solution is to keep up.
On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 4:03 PM K0LNY_Glenn glenn@ervin.email wrote:
What would be handy is to have a VM of Ubuntu with the old Chirp already installed, so that can be implemented. I am sure I have an old Ubuntu Live on a thumb drive with Chirp on it, but I don't know if that can be made into a VM. Glenn
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