Hi all (again),
I'm emailing you via the new mailing list on the new domain. The site for the new list software is:
https://lists.chirpmyradio.com
You should be able to do the "forgot password" routine if you want to log in and change your settings. I've imported the old subscription list, as well as the archives which are viewable in the new software as well.
I don't want to generate too much noise for people, but if at least a few people could reply and indicate that this worked (as well as any other issues like it landing in spam) I'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
--Dan
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Dan Smith via Developers wrote:
Hi all (again),
I'm emailing you via the new mailing list on the new domain. The site for the new list software is:
https://lists.chirpmyradio.com
You should be able to do the "forgot password" routine if you want to log in and change your settings. I've imported the old subscription list, as well as the archives which are viewable in the new software as well.
I don't want to generate too much noise for people, but if at least a few people could reply and indicate that this worked (as well as any other issues like it landing in spam) I'd appreciate it.
It looks like you might have the List-Id: header wrong. It appears like this:
List-Id: A list for discussion of chirp development <developers.lists.chirpmyradio.com>
That would probably be a problem for mail-sorting programs. All of it should be on a single line.
It looks like you might have the List-Id: header wrong. It appears like this:
List-Id: A list for discussion of chirp development <developers.lists.chirpmyradio.com>
That would probably be a problem for mail-sorting programs. All of it should be on a single line.
No, actually it's fully in the definition to have multi-line headers:
https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc822/3_Lexical.html#z1
Since 1982, and almost all Received headers are that way. The mail-sorting program would be at fault if it failed to properly coalesce the multiple lines before running any matching on the value.
Also, this is all generated by mailman, so you'd need to take it up with them :)
--Dan
Dan Smith via Developers developers@lists.chirpmyradio.com writes:
No, actually it's fully in the definition to have multi-line headers:
https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc822/3_Lexical.html#z1
Since 1982, and almost all Received headers are that way. The mail-sorting program would be at fault if it failed to properly coalesce the multiple lines before running any matching on the value.
Also, this is all generated by mailman, so you'd need to take it up with them :)
Technically you are right, but in practice a multi-line List-Id seems likely trouble, and the comment isn't really that useful as people sort on the token. Changing description to "chirp development" wouldn't lose anything and would avoid trouble, even if the people having trouble are wrong.
And, if you are going to be strict about RFCs, the From: field must contain the sender, and not be forged to be the list. See myp private reply about not modifying subject and body -- with that change, DKIM works and there is no need for kludges to avoid DMARC trouble.
73 de n1dam
Technically you are right, but in practice a multi-line List-Id seems likely trouble, and the comment isn't really that useful as people sort on the token. Changing description to "chirp development" wouldn't lose anything and would avoid trouble, even if the people having trouble are wrong.
You realize I am running industry-standard mailman for this. I'm not generating the List-Id header, so I have no control over it. Feel free to file a bug with them, but I'm nearly positive they will close it since it's not a bug :)
And, if you are going to be strict about RFCs, the From: field must contain the sender, and not be forged to be the list. See myp private reply about not modifying subject and body -- with that change, DKIM works and there is no need for kludges to avoid DMARC trouble.
Yeah, unfortunately that's just not possible in the real world. I get a ridiculous number of emails from people who can't figure out how to unsubscribe despite it being in the footer, close to where they clicked on the site-owner email address to complain to me. That's down to like 10% of what it was before we started putting those in the footer (on the users list).
So yeah, it'd be nice if Google and friends hadn't broken the internet with DMARC, but they did. And, these are all the same behaviors of the list before this.
--Dan
On 3/20/24 8:12 PM, David Griffith via Developers wrote:
It looks like you might have the List-Id: header wrong. It appears like this:
List-Id: A list for discussion of chirp development <developers.lists.chirpmyradio.com>
That would probably be a problem for mail-sorting programs. All of it should be on a single line.
Nah, it's indented with a white space, RFC2822 2.2.3 Long Header Fields says it's valid. I tested server side filtering with milter and it's working for me.
On Wed, 2024-03-20 at 14:56 -0700, Dan Smith via Developers wrote:
Hi all (again),
I'm emailing you via the new mailing list on the new domain. The site for the new list software is:
https://lists.chirpmyradio.com
You should be able to do the "forgot password" routine if you want to log in and change your settings. I've imported the old subscription list, as well as the archives which are viewable in the new software as well.
I don't want to generate too much noise for people, but if at least a few people could reply and indicate that this worked (as well as any other issues like it landing in spam) I'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
--Dan _______________________________________________ Developers mailing list -- developers@lists.chirpmyradio.com To unsubscribe send an email to developers-leave@lists.chirpmyradio.com
Got it. No issues.
Mark
It seems that I am receiving it fine, as well.
On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 6:50 AM msalter--- via Developers < developers@lists.chirpmyradio.com> wrote:
On Wed, 2024-03-20 at 14:56 -0700, Dan Smith via Developers wrote:
Hi all (again),
I'm emailing you via the new mailing list on the new domain. The site
for the new list software is:
https://lists.chirpmyradio.com
You should be able to do the "forgot password" routine if you want to
log in and change your settings. I've imported the old subscription list, as well as
the archives which are viewable in the new software as well.
I don't want to generate too much noise for people, but if at least a
few people could reply and indicate that this worked (as well as any other issues like
it landing in spam) I'd appreciate it.
Thanks!
--Dan _______________________________________________ Developers mailing list -- developers@lists.chirpmyradio.com To unsubscribe send an email to developers-leave@lists.chirpmyradio.com
Got it. No issues.
Mark
Developers mailing list -- developers@lists.chirpmyradio.com To unsubscribe send an email to developers-leave@lists.chirpmyradio.com
The good news is the message arrived at my end. The bad news is Google flagged it as spam because of 'a suspicious link'. FWIW, they have done that a lot in the past week on other lists so I don't think it's a real issue.. I reported it as not spam.
This morning's build announcement arrived fine. Thanks for handling the cutover details so well.
-mike, kj6vcp
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